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Old 05-13-2012, 07:42 PM   #15
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Can't speak for Casita but, when we took delivery of our Egg Camper, we were told "DO NOT" use a wdh with it.
In the case of Casita there a lot of folks using WD so & am going to guess that Casita doesnt have an issue with their use as the Egg folks do - different trailers different construction. Just as some vehicle manufactures dont recommend a WD, while others may say you have to use one.
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This adjustment brought the trailer up to almost level..we are now 16 3/4 inches from top of ball to ground and trailer is just off level. Casita states it should be 16 inches from top of ball to ground.

We removed the bottom foot an attached piece of metal with a base that was on the bottom of the trailer jack to offset weight when not being towed. This allowed us to bring the base or stem of trailer jack up far enough so that nothing now touches the ground especially when going over parking lot lips.
If both the Truck and Trailer are (within an inch) level when hitched now, then I don't see the need for a Weight Distributing Hitch. The concern that determines need for Weight Distribution is adding weight to the rear of the truck shifts enough weight from the front to adversely affect steering control. If the steering has not been compromised with the existing setup, then adding Weight Distribution is a solution in search of a problem and not really necessary. If the resulting squat of the rear suspension has a corresponding lift at the front suspension with your existing hitch, then adding a Weight Distribution Hitch to return the stance to the original attitude is the proper compensation. The fact that the trailer no longer scrapes driveway aprons is a good sign that most of your problem has already been corrected.
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:51 PM   #17
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Karen, I noticed your question was in regards to a weight distribution hitch but that your heading into camping world on monday for a santi-sway bar attachment - so are you doing both? The reason I ask is that I thought that there/are some weight distribution hitches that also have an anti sway function...... cant say for sure ..... you may want to look into that before you add a component that you may not need or requires a slightly different install.
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:57 PM   #18
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Mike and George what are you referring to..with 3 to 5 foot overhang..overhang from where to where or what to what? Please explain what you are discussing and how it matters.. to having or not having a WDH? I am completely baffled.
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The 'overhang' is the distance from the rear axle of your truck, to the hitch ball. Think of your truck like a teeter-totter for a minute. The rear axle is the pivot point of the teeter-totter. The ball, where you are dropping your trailer tongue on is "the end of the lever". Obviously, if we put enough weight at the end of the lever, the other end comes off the ground. Lets just say for a second that we put 3000 pounds on the ball. The front tires would come off the ground, right ? This would be bad....as in, you would not be able to steer.

Now let's get back down to real numbers that we see in the normal world. For instance, on my Frontier, when I drop the trailer on the ball, without WD hitch, the front axle becomes lighter by 300 pounds ( it goes from having 2660 pounds on it, to having 2360 pounds on it ). Once I engage the WD hitch, I 'transfer' 300 pounds back to the front axle. I also transfer 140 additional pounds back to the trailer axles. In other words, the WD hitch allows me to correctly balance the entire rig ( truck and trailer ) correctly with the proper weight on all axles ( steer, drive, and trailer axles ).
Let's say I hook my 3780 pound camper to our F350 one ton dually. I would be pointless to use a WD hitch on that setup. The big truck is so heavy, and can carry so much weight back there, it just laughs at 300 or 400 pounds of tongue weight. But when I put the camper on the Frontier, since it's a much smaller truck, it benefits greatly from having a WD hitch.

Hope this helps. George
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A little further thought on this. Some folks think for instance when they put air shocks on the back of the tow vehicle to raise the height back up to level, they have solved the problem. The truth is, they have only solved part of the problem. While it's true that it's good to get the tow vehicle back to level, they have done nothing to change the fact that there is still added weight on the rear axle, and less weight on the front axle.
You may never have a problem with having less weight on the front axle. In fact, you may never even notice that you have less weight on the front tires. On the other hand, you might notice it....you might find out in a bad way if you have to swerve on a rain-wet road....and the front tires don't "bite" because they have inadequate weight on them. The "correct" weight on the front tires is generally considered to be somewhere around what they have when the truck is sitting with no trailer on it, or no extreme load in the bed. Obviously, there is some latitude in all this. It's up to you to determine how you want to set up your rig.

For what it's worth, I would say that a Taco and the trailer you have has the potential to be a very, very good overall setup. It's a very good, sturdy truck, with a well designed suspension for this kind of work, and you are well within the limits of all parameters for the truck, if you are set up right. And to top it off, driven reasonably, you will get pretty good fuel economy, which sure is nice in this market.
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I think we have answered the questions:
I have a 2012 Toyota Tacoma Double Cab V6 with Tow Package
The Gross Vehicle Capacity is 1,150lbs
The TWR is 6,500lbs
The GCWR is 10,940 lbs

Toyota states that if towing a trailer over 2,000lbs that one use a sway control device with sufficient capacity is required.

If the gross trailer weight is over 5,000lbs a weight distribution hitch with sufficient capacity is required.

The Casita weighs 3,500lbs according to the plate on its side.

I think that we should be fine with the sway control device installed along with our electronic brakes.

If you think I'm wrong let me know.














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cording to the plate on its side.
I think that we should be fine with the sway control device installed along with our electronic brakes.
If you think I'm wrong let me know. .

Karen there is a simple way of determining if you need the WD hitch and give yourself the peace of mind as to whether you are right. Its my understanding ( correct me if I am wrong) that Toyota indicates that the truck itself should be level when towing. Put a level in the bed of the truck when the trailer is not hooked up. Then fill both propane tanks and put all all the stuff you would normally take camping into the trailer, chairs, BQ, clothing, food etc (oh and dont forget the wine) and a little water in the bathroom if thats something you would normally do as well as any other tanks you may expect to have water in when towing. Hook up the trailer and put the level back on the bed of the truck.... if its level then your right.... if its not you may want to reconsider the WD.

Edit: this is assuming that the trailer is also level when you hook it up.

Hope that helps and may your next trip out to go camping go way better than your last one.
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You will be fine with just the sway bar. Casita's, due to the propane tanks and things, can't use a WDH. To balance things out they also suggest moving your items around inside, and Adding water to the water tank in the back,

I do this on mine, and generally if I fill my tank about 1/2 full, and then at times add a bit my trailer balances out and levels on the hitch.

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To your question, "does a WD hitch make it safer, easier, better ?".....the answer is yes to all three.
Agree.

Pickups are not known for their towing prowess and the connection needs to be optimal.
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Again thanks to all who responded. Your advice and knowledge is appreciated. After talking to Toyota...if towing 5000 pounds or more a WDH is needed. At 3500 pounds we need a anti sway device. The truck is made to tow 6500 pounda as long as the factory tow package is installed. The trailer is at Camping World today getting the anti sway device installed along with a number of other items fixed. The front end if the truck is planted firmly on the ground when we are hitched up.
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Your advice and knowledge is appreciated. After talking to Toyota...if towing 5000 pounds or more a WDH is needed.
By that one would assume Toyota is implying that it would be OK to tow something without a WDH if it weighed say 4,600/4,800lbs.
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By that one would assume Toyota is implying that it would be OK to tow something without a WDH if it weighed say 4,600/4,800lbs.
I would hope that one would use common sense..if the weight was just off by 400 to 200 pounds to the Toyota Maximum recco of WDH at 5000 pounds. As stated in previous posts above..if front end rises when trailer hooked then perhaps one should indeed consider the WDH. I know for sure our front end sits firmly on the ground when the trailer is being hitched..the backend goes down a few inches but front end remains stable.

From what I've read in the responses to my post..is that some believe firmly in the use of a WDH and others believe that in the case of a Casita..that with my set-up no WDH is required. I am feeling safe with what I have and am having done, believe me if anything seems amiss..I will reconsider a WDH.
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Karen, I see something wrong in your second hooked up picture, There's some kind of animal holding your trailer up.
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Karen, I see something wrong in your second hooked up picture, There's some kind of animal holding your trailer up.
Yeah, who needs a stabilizer jack when they have a cat like that?
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