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Old 05-28-2014, 09:54 AM   #85
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Yup the head gasket issues were suppose to be a thing of the past & not common to the year of my Outback or so they say.. LOL... funny enough only one I have had the problem on is the new one. LOL
Forgot to mention that I still like Subaru despite the issues with my latest one and even more so since Subaru USA has decided with some encouragement that due to the fact that my current Outback has only recently gone off warranty and the relative low milage - 60,000 US miles on it that they will contribute towards that the cost of the new head gasket.... which helps a little.... not that I blame Subaru for the issues I have had.... blame myself for pushing the towing spec envelope a little to far for to long ...
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:25 AM   #86
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I have a 2011 OB CVT 2.5 L and I am a newbie to the fiberglass towing world. I know my tongue weight is limited to 200lb and the 1 7/8 ball hitch is also limited to 2000 lbs. What I don't know is if my 2011 has a transmission cooler in it? Is that what you said above? Also what are my limits for weight in the car? Is their light suspension in the 2011s as well? I will be loading up the back of the car - somewhat. I do have electric brakes on the Trillium 1300 1975.

Oh ya - and I want to load about 100 lbs of bikes on the hitch (a bike rack that attaches to the hitch (in between the ball and the car). I want to make sure I don't trash my car. I am about to embark on a 1200 mile trip LA to Canada. Any insights???
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:22 AM   #87
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My OB CVT was built in 06/2011 and it does not have a transmission cooler. They did have transmission coolers in 2010 but at some point stopped using them before mine was built. The 2010 & 11's have a soft suspension and later model OB's came with a larger stiffer rear stabilizer bar to prevent roll and the slushy ride. Subaru had a heavier stabilizer available which many people upgraded to in the earlier models. Check out the OB Owners Forum for details.
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:43 AM   #88
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RE: Post #86
That bike rack sounds like a BAD idea. Extending the hitch increases the effective tongue weight on the vehicle and adding another 100 lbs will put you well over that limit. And "Loading up the back" won't help either. Remember, your O/B isn't a moving van.

Here are one set of numbers from an on-line site. It sounds to me like you will be doing what they call "Hard Towing", and see the transmission service note. Fresh oil today is a lot cheaper than transmission repairs in Oregon.

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2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005:
4 cylinder 2.5i, XT- 2700 pounds with trailer brakes,1000 w/o brakes,
Hard towing 1350lbs
CVT transmission- if towing replace the CVT oil 24855 miles
6 cylinder 3.6L, 3.0L: 3000lbs with trailer brakes, 1000 w/o brakes, hard towing 1500lbs

Again, refer to the manual for your vehicle.
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Thanks Eddie and Tom for your quick reply. Your suggestions made me investigate further. I called my Subaru dealer and spoke with a mechanic who is an expert in towing. He said the weight numbers are written by lawyers and the cars can actually do much more. Off the record of course. SO my concern is not so much with my 2000 lb trailer and gear weight. I think I will be fine. I did look into the bike rack options and possibility of transmission problems. The mechanic agreed with the DO NOT use the extended hitch bike rack (thx Tom) but he said installing hitch on the back of the trailer would be fine as long as I work to make sure the tongue weight is at a good place. Lastly - he was not concerned about the transmission being a problem unless its a very hot day on a steep incline. His suggestion was to turn off the AC until you get over the incline. I thought that was a great suggestion - he explained why but I cant begin to reiterate the details.

Thx for your insight. I will keep you posted on the results of my almost 1300 mile trip with new/old Trillium.
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Hi AB, first welcome to FGRV, you will get many answers to your questions from members with a whole lot of expirence with towing.....everything.
Second I'll throw out a few things to you after 45 years towing, private and commercial. Since you are new to this, I would recommend two things for you to concider. A few short 100 mile camping trips to see how what you are concidering carrying preforms with your set up. The trip you state making is a long one with not really knowing how things will work with your combination. Forget the bikes, maybe rent some at your destinations instead. Others will jump in soon.
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I have a 2011 OB CVT 2.5 L and I am a newbie to the fiberglass towing world. I know my tongue weight is limited to 200lb and the 1 7/8 ball hitch is also limited to 2000 lbs. What I don't know is if my 2011 has a transmission cooler in it? Is that what you said above? Also what are my limits for weight in the car? Is their light suspension in the 2011s as well? I will be loading up the back of the car - somewhat. I do have electric brakes on the Trillium 1300 1975.

Oh ya - and I want to load about 100 lbs of bikes on the hitch (a bike rack that attaches to the hitch (in between the ball and the car). I want to make sure I don't trash my car. I am about to embark on a 1200 mile trip LA to Canada. Any insights???
First off I would suggested having pulled with an Outback for a number of years that the Trillium 1300 with brakes is a good match for it. In fact you will find if you keep the trailer level or slightly down on the tongue and evenly loaded it will give you a pretty awesome solid tow. Wish my new truck would give the same stable tow especially in windy conditions!! Be nice to the car in hot weather or steep passes though. The good news is that you only really have one big pass (Grants Pass) to go over on the trip from LA to Vancouver.

In regards to your question regarding transmission coolers go, the Subaru Outback has a stock one that is considered to be a fairly large one (at least the 08's and older did) and it is designed to work well with the tow specs set out in the manual. As a result Subaru does not sell or recommend the the installation of a 3rd party transmission cooler - especially if the car is still under warranty. I had my transmission fluid checked and replaced a few times and it never showed any signs of trouble. I didn't have a CVT transmission though so the service manager at Subaru should be able to advise you on that topic.

Real bad idea to the put the bikes on the hitch as Subaru indicated. You are going to be hard pressed to keep your tongue weight at 200lbs with the trailer loaded up as it is and the weight of the bikes & hitch would need to be added onto what the trailers hitch weighs.

Check your manual or the door decal for the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) in regards to your question as to how much you can load into the car. Remember that weight includes the cars curb weight, passengers, cargo, trailer tongue weight and fuel.

I agree with Dave load it up for camping and take it out on a couple of short trips to see how it goes, you may have to move a few things around to get it right, before hitting the road on such a long trip.
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Well, I'm finally getting around to reporting our Smokies Trip pulling the Little Joe with the 2014 Subaru Outback 2.5L CVT.

The combinations work very well with the trailer at a load weight of 1760 lb and tongue at 175. The Outback was moderately loaded at 3940, well balanced.

The CVT performed admirably in the mountains. No abrupt shifts; only gradually increasing RPM on the uphill grades. I think the highest we saw was 37-3800 rpm on some of the longer, steeper grades, which is high center of the torque curve. Most uphills topped out at 2300 rpm. When in sport mode to control speed on the downhill grades the accelerator was a bit touchy if you had to apply a bit of gas. Not bad, just took some getting used to.

Traveling at 55 mph we averaged 21 mpg towing. At no point did the TV seem to be over taxed.

Trailer brakes worked very well. We always felt totally in control.

The wife and I spent a total of 13 nights in the Little Joe, a record for us. I am going to have to add another 40 watts or so to the solar array. In Elkmont where we usually stay there are only about 20 sites with fairly good sun access. We never ran out of power, but if we had had to run the fan more than the first two nights we may have had to charge from the TV.
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Glad it worked out for you and not surprised your Outback should have more than enough power to pull the Little Joe. The Sport Mode does take some getting use to (think of it as manual shifting) but I found it really helpful on long uphill grades to keep the tranny from searching and the RPM down.
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Carol, that's what I enjoyed about the CVT. There is no searching at all.

One other thing I noticed was that when on cruise control, down hills were controlled closer to the set speed than with a typical automatic transmission which can have a tendency to run away
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Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
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Old 06-26-2014, 12:26 PM   #96
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What is a tongue weight? I'm looking to get a 16 Scamp to be towed by my 08 Outback.


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Tongue weight is how much weight is placed on your hitch by the trailer.
As there is a wide range of values for your vehicle, you need to check the specifications shown in the owners manual for your specific model.

From our "Real World Weights" chart a 16' Scamp might have 300+ lbs of tongue weight and well over 2500 lbs total weight and is over the rating for some Outbacks.

What does your manual say????
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Thank you! I will read the manual tonight!


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