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Old 06-26-2014, 01:26 PM   #99
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What is a tongue weight? I'm looking to get a 16 Scamp to be towed by my 08 Outback.


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While you will find that that a 16' Scamp will fit your 08's total towing capacity of 2800lbs or 3000lbs depending on which model you have it will be well over the 200lb tongue limit that Subaru has set for both models. Subaru does not recommend the use of an equalizer on their cars to solve that problem.

A lightly loaded with few options 16' Scamp is going to weigh in at about 2400 lbs on the axle and although you can stow it to get the weight of the tongue down to 200lbs you will not have a nice stable/safe tow. I having towed a 16' with the same year Outback as yours for a number of years had to load the tongue up to 240/250lbs in order to get a solid stable tow for driving at highway speeds. To compensate for the overloaded tongue I took care to not load much of anything in the rear of the car other than a golf clubs and never carried passengers in the rear when towing. To be frank it was a big headache keeping the tongue down to the 240lb weight range and wouldn't do it again had I known when I purchased the 16' Scamp what it was actually going to weigh lightly loaded (no water in tanks etc) I unfortunately believed Scamps numbers that it weighed less dry than it factually did. There dry weights don't include items such basic items as a fridge, propane tank, hot water tank (empty) awning, stove etc....

Highly recommend sticking to a 13' trailer when pulling with the Outback. You will not find a better match for towing with a small SUV.
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:31 PM   #100
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Wow, Carol H! Thank you for the reply and experience. I'm definitely not opposed to the 13 Scamp. Would that model do ok with the Outback even with a shower/bathroom?

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Old 06-26-2014, 01:49 PM   #101
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The Outback tows *really* well with just 10% of the total trailer weight on the tongue and as the 13' Scamps even with bathrooms come in at a total weight of 2000lbs or less you should be just fine with that.

Actually wish my new tug which a much higher towing & tongue weight capacity was able to give me the same solid tow in windy conditions that my Outback gave.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:25 PM   #102
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As you will learn, Outbacks are a special problem with towing i.e. reduced tongue weight vs. max towing weight. Also keep in mind that the maximum tongue weight may also have to do with how the hitch is attached to structural members etc.

As a "Rule of Thumb", especially for those new-to-towing, a minimum of 10% of the total weight should be represented in tongue weight.

Now for the really bad news.... The 13' Scamp with bath (We had one) can be uber tongue heavy, and this is exacerbated when you have to tow with waste in the front located black tank. I would think that keeping one under the rating for your Outback tongue limits could be tough at the very least.

But, the 13' Scamp w/bath is also about as roomy as a 1/2 filled sardine can and, while some do just fine with that, it is the very reason we sold ours after just a few trips and bought a 13' Lil'Bigfoot, that doesn't have a bathroom, and was much lighter on the tongue as well.

Take a look in the "General Chat" forum, there is a post about real world trailer weights, located about the 2nd post down.
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That's a shame. I don't mind the small size but I would like a shower!
I don't have a trailer hitch on my OB. Can I get one that is rated for heavier weight?


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Old 06-26-2014, 03:36 PM   #104
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You can get a hitch rated for a heavier weight, but you still can't tow more than the vehicle's tongue weight. It is the weakest component that determines the tow limit.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:44 PM   #105
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2013 or 14 Subaru Outback 2.5L CVT

Gotcha

Will adding a luggage carrier to the top of my OB increase the tongue pressure? Is that a factor?

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You really should start a new thread with your questions, it appears that you are asking about a 2013 or 2014 Outback, not your 2008 model.

Adding a luggage carrier, in-laws, kids and dogs should all be counted against the maximum vehicle weight specified in your manual, you also have to add tongue weight to that as well.
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Ok, sorry. Yes, I have a 2008 OB.


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That's a shame. I don't mind the small size but I would like a shower!
I don't have a trailer hitch on my OB. Can I get one that is rated for heavier weight?
Yes, in many cases you can do just that.

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You can get a hitch rated for a heavier weight, but you still can't tow more than the vehicle's tongue weight. It is the weakest component that determines the tow limit.
The weakest component can be many things. Many times it is the hitch itself. An engineering evaluation on the vehicle will determine that. In our case a custom designed heavy duty hitch accommodated the WDH which allowed us to tow with a heavier trailer tongue weight. Works great.
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The US spec 2008 Outback warns not to use a WDH on the Outback. Not sure why, but it does.
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Yes, in many cases you can do just that.



The weakest component can be many things. Many times it is the hitch itself. An engineering evaluation on the vehicle will determine that. In our case a custom designed heavy duty hitch accommodated the WDH which allowed us to tow with a heavier trailer tongue weight. Works great.
BTW: the above post does not erelate to the specific vehicle being discussed.

But, fortunately, there really is no one that can evaluate/re-engineer your vehicle to tow a weight above the factory specified weight limits without running afoul of a number of other issues, ranging from safety to liability.

While there a few that do this, they do it at YOUR risk and peril as to damage to your vehicle, deterioration of any remaining warranty and, above all, liability claims that may result as the result of any accident, regardless of the cause, that might occur when you are towing over the specified limits.

As you will see, there are one or two on this site that consider their sources to be superior to all of the manufacturers engineers and accident lawyers in the world. Don't get fished in.....

In short, people doing the wrong thing successfully for years, still doesn't make it right.... stick with the manufacturers specifications and ignore those that suggest otherwise.
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You really should start a new thread with your questions, it appears that you are asking about a 2013 or 2014 Outback, not your 2008 model.
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Whether its an 2008 or a 2013 or 2014 they all have the same tongue weight rating and towing capacity depending on the model of Outback. Its either a total of 2800lbs or 3000lbs.

As far as MC1 suggestion of the use of a WDH - forget it! Read your manual!
I did some homework on the use of a WDH and why Subaru doesnt recommend their use on their unique All Wheel Drive system. Talked with a few service managers as well as directly with Subaru Canada and USA.... over all response was the shifting of the weight could have a negative impact on the cars handling due to the all wheel drive system they use. Regardless the use of a WDH does not change the tongue weight spec on your car! It is what it is regardless of what extra equipment you choose to spend money on to try and change it. The car will provide you will an amazing solid tow even in serious side wind conditions with out the need for a WDH or sway control (thats not a bad idea as a safety backup though) providing you stick to towing within in towing specs. Wish my larger truck which is lighter in the back end did so well!

The only hitch you will ever need if your going to stay within its towing specs is a Class II hitch( some here will argue it should be a Class III due to more receiver options and a WDH but I managed well for 6 years with only a class II & no WDH) The Class II s good for up to 3500lbs which is well over your cars towing capacity but it still doesnt mean you should or can tow up to that amount.

You can purchase a class II hitch that is designed to mount using the factory installed hitch mounts - no need to drill any new holes into the cars frame to mount it which could result in a hitch failure down the road as they are not totally reinforced as the factory ones are.

I pulled 2600lb (total) behind my Outback for 6 years, many thousands of miles using a class II hitch which was mounted using the factory hitch mounting points on the car. I had to replace the hitch after 4 years due to premature rusting of the hitch (it was covered under the hitch warranty against that). When the first hitch was removed the mounting points where well checked over and there was zero sign of the points failing or weakening in any way.
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No need to be sorry and start a whole new thread as your 2008 has the same towing capacity specs as the newer models.
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