2014 Ford Escape VS 2014 Jeep Cheorkee for Casita SD - Fiberglass RV


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Old 11-15-2013, 09:44 AM   #1
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2014 Ford Escape VS 2014 Jeep Cheorkee for Casita SD

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We just bought 2009 Casita SD 17', and on the market try to find a towing vehicle for our weekend getaway. The car needs to used for my wife commute, so the MPG and reliability is important, also the size can't too large. I can't think of any car other than 2014 Ford Escape and 2014 new Jeep Cherokee. Here are the their basic information,

Ford Escape:
2.0 L Ecoboost
240 hp @5500 rpm
270 lb-ft @3000 rpm
Towing Capacity: 3500 lb
MPG: 22(city)/30(Hwy)/25(combine)

Jeep Cherokee 2014
3.2 L
270 hp @ 6500 rpm
239 lb-ft @4400 rpm
Towing Capacity: 4500 lb
MPG: 19(city)/28(Hwy)/22(combine)

My Casita has 2600 lb dry weight, I would except around 3000 lb when loaded. I knew Ford escape has been discussed for 23 pages long, and someone has towed 3500 lb travel trailer with escape without any issue. Just Jeep Cherokee has been released, and I am wondering if this is better choice over Ford Escape.

We have tested drive both car, The ford escape seems move quicker than Cherokee. Since Escape has equiped with turbo charger, so sometime I can feel turbo lag, I don't know if someone else has the same feeling as mine. I like the power on Escape but the tow package only come with Class II, on the other hand, Cherokee has Class III option. From safely point of view, looks Cherokee is more secure. We will installed Andersen Weight Distribution and move around 100-200 lb tongue weight forward, would that solve this problem on Escape (just use Class II hitch)?

I know both vehicle are not the best choice as towing vehicle, but we have our constrains, Please help us !!

Thank you !
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Old 11-15-2013, 12:11 PM   #2
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If you have not already taken a look check out Trailer Weights in the Real World as you will find the advertised 2600 lb the dry weight and not realistic when loaded.

For safety I would also recommend a tow vehicle with a higher tow capacity, 3500 would be really boarder line.

Another option to the vehicles you mention would be a Toyota Highlander

Toyota Highlander 2014
3.5 L v6
270 hp @ 6,200 rpm
248 lb·ft @ 4,700 rpm
Towing Capacity: 5000 lb
MPG: 18.4(city)/27(Hwy)

Just a thought
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Old 11-15-2013, 12:19 PM   #3
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Predicted reliability scores from the December 2013 issue of Consumer Reports.
The Cherokee must be a new model because it wasn't listed.
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Old 11-15-2013, 12:22 PM   #4
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The peak torque points between the 2 are very significant. I suspect the Ford would be the better tow rig based on those numbers. The Horsepower numbers are useless since you never drive at that rpm. If they had power charts you could see where the power is at the rpms your driving at. Put an adult in every seat and drive them again is about the best you can do. Can you open the rear door/hatches with the trailer hooked up?
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ZDR,

Out of curiosity I looked at the trailer weight list and found 6 Casita 17s listed with weights at 3500 lbs or greater and at least one with an unbelievable tongue weight approaching 700 lbs.

It certainly is possible to manage the tongue weight more carefully but in general Casita 17s seem to be a little nose heavy.

I will say we towed a Casita 16 and were very happy with the quality of the trailer.
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ZDR,

Out of curiosity I looked at the trailer weight list and found 6 Casita 17s listed with weights at 3500 lbs or greater and at least one with an unbelievable tongue weight approaching 700 lbs.
Wow, I am surprised at how heavy they have become.

Our dual axle 23' Airstream has a listed dry weight of 3,500LBS. Tongue weight of 590LBS.

Ray.... thnxs for posting the CR chart. That is good info to know.
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Predicted reliability scores from the December 2013 issue of Consumer Reports.
The Cherokee must be a new model because it wasn't listed.
Consumer Reports has shown the same bias consistently for the last 45years. I can not believe they are still published. In fact they have reported identical cars with different ratings based entirely on the badging.
They have even reported rear drive cars as front drive and many other erroneous reports over the years.
If you choose a car at random,your chances of reliability will be far better than basing the purchase on CR.
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:26 PM   #8
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If you have not already taken a look check out Trailer Weights in the Real World as you will find the advertised 2600 lb the dry weight and not realistic when loaded.

For safety I would also recommend a tow vehicle with a higher tow capacity, 3500 would be really boarder line.

Another option to the vehicles you mention would be a Toyota Highlander

Toyota Highlander 2014
3.5 L v6
270 hp @ 6,200 rpm
248 lb·ft @ 4,700 rpm
Towing Capacity: 5000 lb
MPG: 18.4(city)/27(Hwy)

Just a thought
Thank you for your suggestion, My wife won't drive the larger vehicle, that's why I only come down these two vehicles.
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Predicted reliability scores from the December 2013 issue of Consumer Reports.
The Cherokee must be a new model because it wasn't listed.
Thanks, Ray

Interesting Prediction, looks like Japanese's car are winner.
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:35 PM   #10
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The peak torque points between the 2 are very significant. I suspect the Ford would be the better tow rig based on those numbers. The Horsepower numbers are useless since you never drive at that rpm. If they had power charts you could see where the power is at the rpms your driving at. Put an adult in every seat and drive them again is about the best you can do. Can you open the rear door/hatches with the trailer hooked up?
Yes, you read my mind. I believe more torque will do the better job on towing, just can't convince myself, because it only has 2.0 L and turbo lag seems bothering me. And it reach the 3500 lb borderline which I also worry about. Thank you.
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ZDR,

Out of curiosity I looked at the trailer weight list and found 6 Casita 17s listed with weights at 3500 lbs or greater and at least one with an unbelievable tongue weight approaching 700 lbs.

It certainly is possible to manage the tongue weight more carefully but in general Casita 17s seem to be a little nose heavy.

I will say we towed a Casita 16 and were very happy with the quality of the trailer.
Since I bought this as used, form vehicle title, it states 2551 lb (dry), so I guess it will around 3000 lb when loaded.

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As others have mentioned, I'd be concerned about tongue weight even if you end up with 3000 lbs loaded. Most vehicles rated at a tow capacity of 3500 lbs have a 350 lb tongue weight limit - most 17's are over that. I'd also suggest you actually weigh the trailer. It may have been modified, had additional options, etc installed after the title value was set. You also may be underestimating loaded weight. For example, my Escape has a title weight of 2103 lbs; actual weight loaded for a trip with 1/3 fresh water & empty grey & black is 3010 lbs.
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Thanks, Ray

Interesting Prediction, looks like Japanese's car are winner.
Right!...Even when they're not!
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Its interesting when you compare the stats to recalls. Way too much bias for me.
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