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Old 04-12-2016, 10:56 AM   #43
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If you're going to drop the coin for a new vehicle I would consider the Canyon/Colorado vs the Taco.

The Chev twins have higher towing capacity, payload capacity and are cheaper.

I'm biased. I have a 2015 Colorado. Years ago I had a Taco and this is far superior in every respect.
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We also backpack and enjoy exploring offroad on public lands. For that type of use, I'd highly recommend the TRD Offroad package (suspension, armor and electronic locking rear end) and the trailering option (oil and tranny coolers). Another feature we use quite a lot is the bed mounted inverter (200W driving / 400W parked).
Backpacking/backcountry use and driving 37 miles to and from work will be my primary use so I really don't want a bigger truck. You've given me some good ideas about options I might want.

My last memorable (should I say epic) backpacking trip was the Linville Gorge Loop in 2.0 days 2 years ago. I'm 56 and my hiking partner is 15 years younger than me. It nearly killed me but I finished the trip. My motto from the gorge - "when you think you're finally there, you're not"
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:38 AM   #45
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If you're going to drop the coin for a new vehicle I would consider the Canyon/Colorado vs the Taco.

The Chev twins have higher towing capacity, payload capacity and are cheaper.

I'm biased. I have a 2015 Colorado. Years ago I had a Taco and this is far superior in every respect.
Those are really nice trucks. In fact, they are what got me started thinking about a new truck, especially the diesel AND for all the reasons you listed.

However, when I checked on it the Colorado/Canyon has one of the worst reliability ratings of any vehicle on the road. I'm afraid to buy one of those based on that. When I buy a new vehicle reliability is the first thing I check. If the reliability is not well above average I move on to the next choice.

The reliability rating may no longer be deserved since the truck has recently been reintroduced and the numbers may be completely different now but my negative bias will be hard for me to shake.
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I would never spend my money on any truck with a poor track record of reliability...and that means anything that GM makes is off my list.
Toyota or Nissan Frontier in that order.

More time camping ...less time waiting for a tow truck back to the Chevy dealer's service department.

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Those are really nice trucks. In fact, they are what got me started thinking about a new truck, especially the diesel AND for all the reasons you listed.

However, when I checked on it the Colorado/Canyon has one of the worst reliability ratings of any vehicle on the road. I'm afraid to buy one of those based on that. When I buy a new vehicle reliability is the first thing I check. If the reliability is not well above average I move on to the next choice.

The reliability rating may no longer be deserved since the truck has recently been reintroduced and the numbers may be completely different now but my negative bias will be hard for me to shake.
Mine has the 6cyl gas engine. I believe those ratings are based on the old platform so you won't get a truthful reliability rating for years.

As for the superior Toyota reliability, I am not convinced. This I believe is based on where vehicles were 10-15 years ago. Much has changed. In fact, the Taco was running a 10 year old design up until last year and they were notorious for rust out. They had to pay out 1.3 billion in 2014 for lying to regulators and knowingly selling cars that would accelerate and be unstoppable. 5 people were killed because of it.

To each his own, good luck.
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Backpacking/backcountry use and driving 37 miles to and from work will be my primary use so I really don't want a bigger truck. You've given me some good ideas about options I might want.

My last memorable (should I say epic) backpacking trip was the Linville Gorge Loop in 2.0 days 2 years ago. I'm 56 and my hiking partner is 15 years younger than me. It nearly killed me but I finished the trip. My motto from the gorge - "when you think you're finally there, you're not"
We'll be in the NC mountains for a few days starting this Friday but a little southwest of Linville - just outside Joyce Kilmer in Nantahala NF. I've got you by a little more than a decade but we still enjoy getting away; just can't do it as fast or as far as we used to. I'm not sure I could have done the Gorge loop in two days in my prime much less now.
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Mine has the 6cyl gas engine. I believe those ratings are based on the old platform so you won't get a truthful reliability rating for years.

As for the superior Toyota reliability, I am not convinced. This I believe is based on where vehicles were 10-15 years ago. Much has changed. In fact, the Taco was running a 10 year old design up until last year and they were notorious for rust out. They had to pay out 1.3 billion in 2014 for lying to regulators and knowingly selling cars that would accelerate and be unstoppable. 5 people were killed because of it.

To each his own, good luck.
A friend of my son did about 3 years in a Minnesota prison for vehicular manslaughter .He contended in his first trial that his Toyota excelerated on it's own ,Toyota said there was no issues with sudden acceleration .After 3 years in prison he was released after a second trial where it was shown that Toyota did have an issue with sudden acceleration and had covered up the facts.
Toyota is no better or no worse than many other profit driven businesses
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We'll be in the NC mountains for a few days starting this Friday but a little southwest of Linville - just outside Joyce Kilmer in Nantahala NF. I've got you by a little more than a decade but we still enjoy getting away; just can't do it as fast or as far as we used to. I'm not sure I could have done the Gorge loop in two days in my prime much less now.
We started on Friday at Wolfden hiked counter clock wise and finished on Sunday at about 2:30 back at the same place. We didn't do the grand loop, but did the smaller one which is still about 28 miles, I think. I fell down twice. One of my falls was a spectacular end over end which finished with me hung by my backpack shoulder strap which caught on a tree stump on a steep slope. Linville Gorge is one of the most beautiful places I've hiked on the East coast. It was well past my fitness or ability level. That's why I called it epic.
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Mine has the 6cyl gas engine. I believe those ratings are based on the old platform so you won't get a truthful reliability rating for years.

As for the superior Toyota reliability, I am not convinced. This I believe is based on where vehicles were 10-15 years ago. Much has changed. In fact, the Taco was running a 10 year old design up until last year and they were notorious for rust out. They had to pay out 1.3 billion in 2014 for lying to regulators and knowingly selling cars that would accelerate and be unstoppable. 5 people were killed because of it.

To each his own, good luck.
I'm still considering the Colorado. I like it. It seems like an outstanding overall design, but as you noted reliability for the new model won't be known for several years. American car manufacturers seem to shoot for "average" in the reliability area. I always shop for the well above average vehicles.
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Toyota has definitely had issues. The frame rust has the been the most on-going annoying issue, the acceleration recall was obviously the worst.

All vehicles have come a long way in the last decade or so. Despite a couple big screw-ups, Toyota and Honda are still by far the most reliable, long-lasting, trouble-free vehicles on the road.
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Zach O, The most current pecking order for dependability now has Toyota in number one position with Sabaru in the number two spot followed by Honda.

I'd give Ford high ranks for the F150 truck series.
Once you start talking trucks you open the door for the "Macho" guys who have favorites not based on facts...some guys are Chevy boosters...some love Dodge but most spend far too much time in the service department...I'd rather be Camping...now I sound like a bumper-sticker !
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Subaru! Crazy. I love (old) Subarus, but I've always thought of them as very "quirky". Not like VW quirky, but always lots of little problems. Looks like they've ironed that stuff out.

I've always thought (historically, anyway) that Hondas were even better than Toyotas. But I love old, rugged 4x4s. Honda doesn't have any of those . Toyota does.
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According to the brochure for the 2016 Tacoma the payload for a 4x4 is 1175 pounds.

The gas tank holds 21.1 gallons @ 6.3 lbs/ gallon = 134 lbs
My fat self = 250 lbs
2 family members @ 150 lbs = 300
Estimated wet pin weight for 5,0 TA = 700 lbs

134 + 250 + 300 + 700 = 1384 which exceeds the payload by over 200 lbs.

That doesn't include the weight of the hitch which is probably at least 100 to 150 lbs.

So, again, my original question is how do people do it? Am I missing something ? The numbers don't add up. A 2wd has a higher payload by a few hundred pounds but even with that you're dancing on the edge.
Your not missing anything! Except maybe the family dog? :lout

Your doing it right. Know your weights!

How are people doing it? Its Simple - they are choosing to ignore the trucks stated payloads or at least for the time being they are ignoring them.

I know a few folks here who are pulling the Escape 5th wheel with Nissan Frontier for example who without a doubt know they are well over their trucks payloads & how far over they are - in some case by far more than 200lbs. If you sent them a private message they will acknowledge it. I would also suggest that more than one will say they plan to upgrading to something with more payload when the time comes to replace the truck.
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Reality Check....everything you read on the Internet is not fact.

A trip to your local friendly Toyota dealer will result in real facts.

Fact: 2016 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 pickup, V6, automatic trans with tow package is rated to tow 6,500 lbs.
If you doubt this fact visit Toyota and ask.

Never accept Internet statements from strangers as fact.

Zach O your Sabaru opinions are based on older models...current production vehicles are highly reliable as per "Comsumer Reports". The auto industry is evolving...some brands are improving...others not so much...research before you buy.
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