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Old 04-13-2016, 07:38 PM   #71
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I hesitate to even post again on thread as it has traveled around the solar system and back a few times, butů

Here's the deal for us. Yes, we have a Tacoma. A real one, based in reality. LOL
But let me cut to the chase.

I personally see zero point in pushing any limits on tow capacity, tongue weights, or payload capacities. My thinking is this. Life will absolutely get in the way if one does this. Around the next curve will be a curveball. What is the point of RVing if you cannot make the next grade, or have to leave half the stuff that makes camping fun at home? As one travels, collecting a few things along the way just happens. Just does. Pushing anything to or beyond the limit makes no sense to me whatsoever. Something should "give". Bigger Tug or smaller RV. This isn't "rocket surgery" as the joke goes.

Thus, it is always prudent, it just seems to me, FWIW, is to leave lots of margins on any or all of these various capacities. Posted with a great deal of humor, I trust, as that's how honesty is often best expressed and received. I hope.
Agreed. The Tacoma affords no (or nearly no) margin towing an Escape 5.0. Not a good idea. Some people do it though. I didn't mean to stir up so much discussion.
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Old 04-13-2016, 08:20 PM   #72
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Oh don't worry about that. Discussion happens And you can never predict when or over what.

I agree that a safety margin is best. I drove a little Toyota Chinook, loaded down over its capacity, all over the country over the last couple years. That thing could go 80mph down the interstate, smooth as anything.

But if I had needed to swerve? Slam on the brakes? It would have been "all over". I put up with the risk and just tried to drive conservatively and defensively. But I don't think I'd do it again...

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Old 04-13-2016, 09:27 PM   #73
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I purchased our 17' Bigfoot in central Oregon and towed it over the Cascades (Mt. Hood) to Portland with my 2006 4.0 6-speed Tacoma. I estimate the trailer with extras, a few tools, me, and truck canopy was an additional 3,800 to 4,000 lbs. I was constantly downshifting, running high rpms, backing up traffic behind me, and generally felt it was too much weight for the Tacoma. The next week I bought a used 2013 F150 with the 5 liter. No issues now and the same mpg. Just my thoughts. Tacomas are a great reliable truck, but maybe not enough power for towing. Anyway, I sold it for more than I paid for it...
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I tow a 4200 lb wet Escape 21 over hill and dale with a Taco rated for 6400 lbs towing with zero problems. Not sure I would want to tow a 5th wheel with it though; loading and dynamics under speed will be different enough to make me ponder, particularly emergency braking since the pin load will transfer force to the front tires and off the rear tires, unlike a regular trailer. Just food for thought.
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What else do we have to do, besides read and discuss?
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:22 AM   #76
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I have a 2008 4dr tacoma with the 4.0. They drink fuel when you tow. They are hard on fuel for a smaller truck. I love Toyotas and I've had many. We have a Bigfoot 17 that we will be towing this year. My good friend has a 4.7 tacoma. His truck is nearly the same as mine in terms of fuel economy. I sometimes wish I would have bought a tundra. Check them out too.


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Old 04-14-2016, 05:16 AM   #77
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Well, I'm not ignoring the facts. I currently work for the US DOT. I understand the fairly simple science behind towing safely. The reason I asked the question initially is that I have been reading posts on this site for at least a year and many people claim they are able to tow an escape with a Tacoma or Frontier. I wondered how they did it because I would like to do the same. I've concluded the trick to doing it is to ignore the payload issue completely (unsafe) or pay extreme attention to keeping the payload within the acceptable limit (nearly impossible to do in a practical sense). I got my answer. I need to either pick another truck or another trailer.
I suspect many do what the truck camper folks do, beef up the suspension and go on their merry way.


I'm sure you're aware that two years is about the waiting time for a new Escape so if you are planning for two years from now... Raz
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I suspect many do what the truck camper folks do, beef up the suspension and go on their merry way.


I'm sure you're aware that two years is about the waiting time for a new Escape so if you are planning for two years from now... Raz
Yes. I've used the escapes for planning purposes since they are about the size and weight of anything I'd be interested in buying. I know about the wait time. I'll be getting a new truck in about 2 years. The trailer may be a good bit later. I don't want to buy a truck that can't handle whatever trailer I buy. I realize its better to buy the trailer first and then the truck, but that's not what I'm going to do since I need a new commuting vehicle and I can't afford more than 1. I also don't have space for two used ones. Whatever I get has to do double duty. I've been shying away from a full sized truck because the traffic lanes on the major highways in Atlanta are very narrow and also because of the reduced gas mileage on most big trucks.

I know about the F150 with ecoboost. On paper it looks like a great choice. Go on youtube and search for" f150 ecoboost problems". There are dozens of videos of extreme carbon deposits, recalls, etc. So, at least initially there were many problems. I don't know if they have them sorted out now or not but it makes me wonder if that engine is a good long term choice.
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I suspect many do what the truck camper folks do, beef up the suspension and go on their merry way. Raz
Unfortunately this is unsafe and it wears out the vehicle faster. People who say "I've never had a problem" just haven't had the conditions arise that have them "outside the envelope".
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Is there not a new f150 ecoboost motor coming out?
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We just got back from another long trip. Here we are with our 2013 Tacoma and Scamp 19 in Chisos Basin, Big Bend NP, an amazing place, by the way.

Tacoma manual says not to tow a 5th wheel, possibly because of the 5th wheel hookup geometry (connection made high in the bed), or the assumed weight of anything 5th wheel. However, with the Scamp the numbers themselves are well within the limits stated.

I believe the composite bed is not a problem, it is probably as tough as a thin sheet metal bed, better in some ways. I posted a detailed description of mounting the Reese rails and hitch about two years ago. The truck has now almost 70k miles, more than half towing. No problems so far. It's just the two of us, the load is getting lighter as we learn what we really need to haul along, or not.

John, I do not know the weights, but assume you already compared those of Scamp vs. the 5.0. I weighed the tongue of mine at about 600 lbs.
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We just got back from another long trip. Here we are with our 2013 Tacoma and Scamp 19 in Chisos Basin, Big Bend NP, an amazing place, by the way.

Tacoma manual says not to tow a 5th wheel, possibly because of the 5th wheel hookup geometry (connection made high in the bed), or the assumed weight of anything 5th wheel. However, with the Scamp the numbers themselves are well within the limits stated.

I believe the composite bed is not a problem, it is probably as tough as a thin sheet metal bed, better in some ways. I posted a detailed description of mounting the Reese rails and hitch about two years ago. The truck has now almost 70k miles, more than half towing. No problems so far. It's just the two of us, the load is getting lighter as we learn what we really need to haul along, or not.

John, I do not know the weights, but assume you already compared those of Scamp vs. the 5.0. I weighed the tongue of mine at about 600 lbs.
Scamp is considerably lighter. Escape's DRY pin weight is 600 lbs. The Scamp looks like a nice trailer for me except the loft bed seems odd with the curves at the front and back. Is the sleeping position side to side or forward/aft? My wife thrashes in her sleep and not even a king sized bed is big enough. We also both have CPAP's which need a small shelf and electrical outlet. The escape has a little room on either side of the mattress. I see the storage areas above the bed on the scamp, but I'd hate to lose the storage area just to have a place to put the CPAP. So, looking at the pictures I've seen of the scamp it looks like the loft bed would be too small for us, but its hard to tell from a picture.
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I purchased our 17' Bigfoot in central Oregon and towed it over the Cascades (Mt. Hood) to Portland with my 2006 4.0 6-speed Tacoma. I estimate the trailer with extras, a few tools, me, and truck canopy was an additional 3,800 to 4,000 lbs. I was constantly downshifting, running high rpms, backing up traffic behind me, and generally felt it was too much weight for the Tacoma. The next week I bought a used 2013 F150 with the 5 liter. No issues now and the same mpg. Just my thoughts. Tacomas are a great reliable truck, but maybe not enough power for towing. Anyway, I sold it for more than I paid for it...
I have yet to weigh my 17' Bigfoot, but with my 3.4L Tacoma, it pulls just fine. I just decided that 3,000rpm is the highest I want to maintain, which just so happens to be right around 65mph in 4th gear.

On mountain passes, I just drop down into 3rd gear, 45mph, with my flashers on. I line right up with semis doing the same. That seems to be about the speed they settle into on long inclines, too, so I feel it's plenty safe and adequate.

I actually have yet to bog down and lose power. I just hit the highest rpm I'm willing to push my truck to, and stop at that speed/gear. I even pass people sometimes...

Depending on the options, your trailer may be heavier than mine, though. But I have quite a few tools, a 90W portable solar package, canopy, bike, and though it isn't much these days, basically everything I own in my truck and trailer.

I agree Toyotas aren't the best tow vehicles, but they're completely "adequate".

Tundras are great, but my friends with Tundras either pulling 19-21' trailers or with slide-in pop-up campers get no better than 9mpg, though they do it with an easier time maintaining whatever speed they want.

I like that with my little 98 Tacoma with the 3.4, I'm consistently getting 14mpg. So for someone like me who just really wants to stick with Toyota..."good enough".
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Paul, have you made any changes to the suspension? Also, how is the clearance between the trailer and the back window? Raz
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