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Old 04-10-2016, 11:04 AM   #1
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2016 tacoma 4x4 to tow escape 5.0 TA ?

I'm doing some planning for future purchases and in a few years (2 or 3 years from now). I would like to purchase a camper. I like the escape 5th wheel and to a lesser extent the escape 19 foot trailer.

I also need a new truck in this time frame. I am a backpacker and need a truck with four wheel drive to go on forest service roads that ford streams. Something like a tacoma four door cab is what I want. A full size truck would also work for my backcountry trips, but the forest service roads are narrow and a narrower mid size is my preference.

It seems like an F150 would be an ideal truck for pulling an escape 5th wheel. I know that some have done it with a tacoma. With the tacoma it then becomes an issue of payload. If you have three or four adults in the truck and a full tank of gas and a light weight hitch I don't see how a 4x4 tacoma has enough payload. I know there are probably also issues with bed height although those seem easily solvable.

For those who use a tacoma to tow a 5th wheel please tell me if the payload is/was a big issue for you.

The tacoma looks like its more than enough to pull the 19 ft trailer. So my truck preference might dictate the camper choice...
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:12 AM   #2
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I am not sure you can put a 5th wheel hitch in the composite bed of a Tacoma.

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Old 04-10-2016, 11:17 AM   #3
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I am not sure you can put a 5th wheel hitch in the composite bed of a Tacoma.

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Yeah. I know about that. I'm a structural engineer so I've thought about that. The hitch mounts on the primary steel frame structure below the bed, same as any other truck. This is a minor issue that may require some spacers or shims so that the composite bed doesn't get crushed by the weight.
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With all 1/2 ton trucks , no matter the manufacturer , payload is one of the main issues in 5th wheel towing . The Ford F150 has a higher payload than many of its competitors and is rated for 5th wheel towing . NO , I do not own a Ford truck . We considered purchasing an Escape 5.0 TA but ran up against the payload limits of our vehicle . Buying both a new TV and a new 5th wheel trailer was not in the cards . I hope you find a way to make it work for you .
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Tacoma 4 x 4

Since I know nothing about 5th wheels, this is just some encouragement to purchase a Tacoma 4x4. I'm on my 3rd one, although the first one wasn't called that, and they are best little trucks I've ever owned. Not so little anymore though. Always had the 4x4's for driving up the mountain. They've never let me down. I'm driving a 2006 Access Cab now with 200K.

Last year I towed my 13 ft. Trillium to Inuvik (Arctic) and back with no issues at all. New 10 ply tires on the truck and 8 ply on the trailer.

It's great for getting into tight places at almost any pitch. Having owned both Chev's and Ford's in the past I'll take my Toyota any day. Keep them all for a minimum of 15 years.

Good luck in your search for the perfect tow vehicle.
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With all 1/2 ton trucks , no matter the manufacturer , payload is one of the main issues in 5th wheel towing . The Ford F150 has a higher payload than many of its competitors and is rated for 5th wheel towing . NO , I do not own a Ford truck . We considered purchasing an Escape 5.0 TA but ran up against the payload limits of our vehicle . Buying both a new TV and a new 5th wheel trailer was not in the cards . I hope you find a way to make it work for you .
The way I hope to make it work is by doing lots of planning well in advance. I'm currently driving an 18 year old vehicle that is maintained by me so I can save my money and get a new(er) truck. The escape is the best case scenario for me so I've been using the weight and pin load to do my planning. I'd rather buy something used, but I don't like the scamp 5th wheel. I'm not a fan of the carpeted walls and what looks like an odd main bed.
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Since I know nothing about 5th wheels, this is just some encouragement to purchase a Tacoma 4x4. I'm on my 3rd one, although the first one wasn't called that, and they are best little trucks I've ever owned. Not so little anymore though. Always had the 4x4's for driving up the mountain. They've never let me down. I'm driving a 2006 Access Cab now with 200K.

Last year I towed my 13 ft. Trillium to Inuvik (Arctic) and back with no issues at all. New 10 ply tires on the truck and 8 ply on the trailer.

It's great for getting into tight places at almost any pitch. Having owned both Chev's and Ford's in the past I'll take my Toyota any day. Keep them all for a minimum of 15 years.

Good luck in your search for the perfect tow vehicle.
I had a Toyota 1983 2wd sr5 long bed, an ancestor of the tacoma. It was a great little truck. No issues (other than some minor rust) with it ..ever.
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I had a Toyota 1983 2wd sr5 long bed, an ancestor of the tacoma. It was a great little truck. No issues (other than some minor rust) with it ..ever.
We do not see a lot of Toyota trucks in our area . One of the reasons is that in our area they use a lot of road salt and now with all the government cut backs we are seeing more salt and less plowing. Toyota's were noted for rusting out both body and frame at a very early age. Hopefully Toyota has corrected that problem.
If Ford's F150 aluminum body trucks hold up better to Salt and corrosion , I can see Ford gaining a larger market share in our area.
I have never worn out a vehicle due to mileage but I have replaced many vehicles because there was little sheet metal left.
I have owned cars where you had to watch where you put your feet because the floor had rusted away.
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We do not see a lot of Toyota trucks in our area . One of the reasons is that in our area they use a lot of road salt and now with all the government cut backs we are seeing more salt and less plowing. Toyota's were noted for rusting out both body and frame at a very early age. Hopefully Toyota has corrected that problem.
If Ford's F150 aluminum body trucks hold up better to Salt and corrosion , I can see Ford gaining a larger market share in our area.
I have never worn out a vehicle due to mileage but I have replaced many vehicles because there was little sheet metal left.
I have owned cars where you had to watch where you put your feet because the floor had rusted away.
I didn't know vehicles rusted any more.The last vehicle that rusted that we owned was a 60's Mercury Comet. Since than nothing has rusted and I spent most of my life in the Northeast.
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At least a couple other people have modded their Tacoma beds to add a fifth wheel or gooseneck hitch. It is no big deal. The Escape 5.0TA has a 600 lb dry pin weight, so you'd have wiggle room to add some cargo. The Tacoma should do very well for you. Plenty of off-roaders use Tacomas.
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Don't forget to evaluate the GM twins, Colorado/Canyon. They can tow 7000 pounds and the V-6 gets better fuel economy than the Toyota.

I have a 2015 Tacoma 4 dr and love it, but I don't think I can pull with the power my SIL has in his Canyon.
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I didn't know vehicles rusted any more.The last vehicle that rusted that we owned was a 60's Mercury Comet. Since than nothing has rusted and I spent most of my life in the Northeast.
I have seen 3 or 4 year old vehicles with rusted fenders , engine hoods , rocker panels , cab corners , door edges and trunk lids . The other issue is the rusting of suspension components and brake lines . The rotors on my wife's 2010 vehicle with less than 60,000 miles have been replaced 3 times due to rusting and pitting . A friend of my son has a 3 year old nissan truck and there are rust holes in the rear bumper and the tail gate .
I am glad you are not seeing or experiencing rust issues but my experiences has been different .
In my opinion ,the auto makers have had great sucess with making better drive trains but rust is still an issue .
I looked at buying a diesel truck because of many factors but
from what I have observed , the body falls apart long before the diesel engine is anywhere near the end of it's useful life.
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Toyota is still plagued by rust issues, but now it's the frames instead of the sheet metal. Started when they started making Tacomas, and unbelievably they seem to continue having the problem over an entire decade, even when frame recalls and truck buy-backs had been in effect for years...

Not sure what their deal is.

I'm totally biased to Toyota. I know I could get a less expensive vehicle with better gas mileage and more power. But so far I haven't been able to bring myself to do it. I've had seven of them, from a 78 to a 98, and they've all been go-anywhere, never leave you stranded trucks.

If you can solve the composite bed issue, it's really a very simple matter. Just compare the weight of the trailer you want to the capacity of the vehicle you want. If you're right at the maximum capacity, you either need to start looking at different trailers or different trucks...
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Old 04-10-2016, 04:33 PM   #14
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According to the brochure for the 2016 Tacoma the payload for a 4x4 is 1175 pounds.

The gas tank holds 21.1 gallons @ 6.3 lbs/ gallon = 134 lbs
My fat self = 250 lbs
2 family members @ 150 lbs = 300
Estimated wet pin weight for 5,0 TA = 700 lbs

134 + 250 + 300 + 700 = 1384 which exceeds the payload by over 200 lbs.

That doesn't include the weight of the hitch which is probably at least 100 to 150 lbs.

So, again, my original question is how do people do it? Am I missing something ? The numbers don't add up. A 2wd has a higher payload by a few hundred pounds but even with that you're dancing on the edge.
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