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Old 10-14-2012, 03:42 PM   #29
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Alf, thanks for the info and pics. I have emailed both Scamp and Escape regarding this rail height issue and can't believe either has "written off" modern 1/2 ton PU's as tows. I checked Chevys today and found their rail height comparable, so I expect there are lift kits that the manuf'rs can recommend or provide. Hopefiully that's the answer I'll get from them and then I continue blissfully thru the decision process to an ultralight 5ver.
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Old 10-14-2012, 03:45 PM   #30
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I lifted our Scamp 5r when I installed a new (Bolt On) axle.
With a bolt on axle you can change it yourself in one afternoon and the 2 to 3 inch lift levels everything out really nice.
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Old 10-14-2012, 03:59 PM   #31
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Darwin, that's good news! I'm not allergic to changing the axle...I just want to know what to expect if I order one and get there expecting to pick it up and ride. What is your tow, and more to the point, what is its side rail height? And what kind of clearance do they have to the loft?
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:24 AM   #32
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Alf, thanks for the info and pics. I have emailed both Scamp and Escape regarding this rail height issue and can't believe either has "written off" modern 1/2 ton PU's as tows. I checked Chevys today and found their rail height comparable, so I expect there are lift kits that the manuf'rs can recommend or provide. Hopefiully that's the answer I'll get from them and then I continue blissfully thru the decision process to an ultralight 5ver.
Hi: cstonick... I just remembered that Reace& Tammy of Escape Trailers actually tow a 5.0 with a F150 ecoboost 4dr. pickup. I think they were away at the fall NOG gathering over the weekend.
Alf S. North shore of Lake Erie
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:18 PM   #33
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Alf, thanks for the info. I received a response from Scamp today that they support raising the axle and/or increasing the tire size to 14" and that the maximum side rail height from the ground for their 5er is 57"...and they will sell the unit with the desired mods, i.e. warranteed. So I guess my concern was essentially unfounded. BTW, since I'm just in the shopping phase this was my first experience with a forum like this, and the experience (you and Darwin responding so quickly) just reinforces my wanting to join this community. Thanks!
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Old 10-15-2012, 09:27 PM   #34
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I think they were away at the fall NOG gathering over the weekend.
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Nope didn't see them

But did see a couple of 5.0s (along with a 13, a couple of 17s and a couple more 19s)
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:17 PM   #35
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Just to close this loop, I did receive a reply from Tammy at Escape:
"When we designed the Escape 5.0 we designed it to tow behind mid-sized trucks with a bed height of 54”. With all of the new truck going to a 56” bed height we have now started putting a 2” lift on the frame of the trailer which provides more than enough clearance for the Escape Fifth Wheel."
So basically, both Scamp and Escape 5er's have adapted to the current std 1/2 ton bed heights.
Thanks folks!
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:28 AM   #36
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As to the so called "fifth wheel", yes, in theory, they should be ahead of the rear axle. However, we're talking about a trailer that you could also bumper tow (weight wise). No, 6-12" behind the rear axle isn't ideal, but how can it be worse than being 3' behind it?
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:51 PM   #37
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Not sure how your reply fits. My concern was with the ground-to-top of the PU box wall height interfering with the ground-to-the bottom of the loft height of the trailer loft. That, as we'd expect, both Escape and Scamp have adapted to the increased height of this dimension in full-size PUs is good news to me, so bascially this thread (happily) turned into a "tempest in a teapot". But thanks for contributing.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:35 PM   #38
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I was referring to the original post, not yours.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:40 PM   #39
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As to the so called "fifth wheel", yes, in theory, they should be ahead of the rear axle. However, we're talking about a trailer that you could also bumper tow (weight wise). No, 6-12" behind the rear axle isn't ideal, but how can it be worse than being 3' behind it?
Because there's weight and then there's tongue weight. In the thread Trailer Weights in the Real World the Scamp "tongue" has weighed anywhere between 480-680 lbs.
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Understood, but most anything with a bed will take that tongue weight on the bumper, and the closer you get to the rear axle, it just gets better.

My car trailer has about 400 lbs tongue weight empty, and my '89 Nissan pulled that with my race car on it, just fine.

IMHO, if moving the hitch from a few inches ahead of the axle, to a little behind the axle puts you in dangerous handling, you're already on thin ice.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:36 AM   #41
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I installed a pullrite on a Ford 3/4 and it makes a tag along tow like a 5th wheel.
PullRite has a SAFER, STRONGER, BETTER designed hitch for you
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