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Old 08-03-2013, 02:43 PM   #253
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My '04 titan shows 50 sq. ft., and 2010 ford 350-550 shows 60!
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Regarding the 2010 F350, would you tell us the page number and name of the document where you found that?
From the Recommended Towing Weights section on page 253 of the 3rd printing of the 2013 owners manual for the F-250/350/450/550:
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Note: The total area in square feet (meters) exposed to air resistance of
a moving vehicle and its trailer is the trailer frontal area. Do not exceed
60 feet2 (5.57 meters2) trailer frontal area.
If it seems strange that the same manual covers this wide range of trucks, keep in mind that they all have mostly the same design and the same drivetrains: the heavy versions have mostly frame and axle changes, which change the load that can be carried in the truck but have less effect on towing. The GCWR does change, but the frontal area - which is only a recommendation - does not. I agree that this value doesn't seem to get much serious attention from Ford.

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Are they considering frontal area as what sticks out past the tv? I don't see any other option..
The definition above says no.
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Old 08-03-2013, 02:53 PM   #254
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Another note on the F-SuperDuty information discussed above: the owners manual gives GCWR for various models and axle ratios, but those are apparently for the gas engines. There is a diesel supplement, which provides higher GCWR numbers... but no mention of frontal area.

What does this have to do with an Escape? I think it suggests that the frontal area - although not completely arbitrary - is not so carefully chosen by Ford as the GCWR.
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Old 08-03-2013, 03:18 PM   #255
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You're right, I missed that the first time around. I don't remember what I saw it in last night, but I found it again here, although worded differently: http://www.ford.com/assets/pdf/towin...RDUTYsep09.pdf

This makes no sense.

I read the titan specs on a forum. Today I went to look it up and found the same person (same exact post wording) on 4 forums saying they can't pull a fifth wheel/gooseneck, and are limited to 50 sq ft., per the 2004 towing guide a salesman showed him.

I went on nissan's site, the 2004 titan towing guide says NOTHING either way about a gooseneck or frontal area. The 2006 guide says gooseneck/fifth wheel ok, follow normal trailer specs, no frontal area limit. The 2009 guide lists separate gooseneck/fifth wheel specs, and a limit of 60 sq ft frontal area.

This same forum poster had several posts saying ford/chevy/dodge are the only real trucks...somebody had an agenda, and likely has never set foot in a nissan dealership, let alone own a titan.
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Old 08-03-2013, 03:26 PM   #256
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Another note on the F-SuperDuty information discussed above: the owners manual gives GCWR for various models and axle ratios, but those are apparently for the gas engines. There is a diesel supplement, which provides higher GCWR numbers... but no mention of frontal area.

What does this have to do with an Escape? I think it suggests that the frontal area - although not completely arbitrary - is not so carefully chosen by Ford as the GCWR.
The towing guide listed above shows (I was off on the models here) f250-450 ALL APPLICATIONS as having 60 sq ft frontal area.

Directly, it has nothing to do with an escape, but it does show those ratings are a little ridiculous. To suggest a cherokee at 55, and a titan and f-450 at 60 are all in the same capacity for that rating? That makes no sense.

Also, if you figure an 8.5 foot wide trailer, that means it can be only 7' high... that's right, an f-450 pulling a standard width camper, can only be 7' high. Basically, if you want to tow 90% of the stick built fifth wheels out there, you need a semi.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:52 PM   #257
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Thanks Brian, I read through there twice and still missed it, till you showed me.

That pickup rating is kind of crazy. They say don't do it, then they say if you do it you can expect "reduced performance" (almost like they are winking at those who exceed the rating). The Escape manual just says don't do it, and nothing else.

As far as I can see, with neither the pickups nor the Escape are they saying that it will negate the warranty or ruin something. F-250s (and up) routinely tow some monster trailers, and nothing catastrophic seems to be happening (at least not right away). That makes me wonder if the Escape would be the same way. But of course there are no guarantees!
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My travel trailer has a min of 45 sq ft frontal area and I tow at full load 3500lbs. I drive 70 to 75mph and the escape will maintain 5th gear and will drop to 4th up hills. I have towed into 40 mph pluss head winds all the way across Michigan with no problems. Yes, you will get 9 to 11mpg in thoes extreme conditions but will get 29mpg as soon as you unhitch. My last tug was a 2008 Econoline E-350 with a 5.4L V8 and it only had 15 more horse but alot more frontal area. It kicked down much more and only got 6 mpg towing and max of 15mpg unhitched.
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Thanks for joining in here Daniel! I can't wait to order a ParkLiner and take it up through the Adirondacks!

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My travel trailer has a min of 45 sq ft frontal area and I tow at full load 3500lbs. I drive 70 to 75mph and the escape will maintain 5th gear and will drop to 4th up hills. I have towed into 40 mph pluss head winds all the way across Michigan with no problems. Yes, you will get 9 to 11mpg in thoes extreme conditions but will get 29mpg as soon as you unhitch. My last tug was a 2008 Econoline E-350 with a 5.4L V8 and it only had 15 more horse but alot more frontal area. It kicked down much more and only got 6 mpg towing and max of 15mpg unhitched.
Why would anyone tow a trailer at 70-75 mph is beyond my thinking. Let's hope they will never have to stop from that speed.
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You're kidding right? I mean not about braking from those speeds, but folks traveling 75 mph with big trailers pass me all the time on the highway. I'm a speed limit kinda guy, I just get it the right lane on the interstate every day going back and forth to work and let folks pass me. I can never get over how many big towed rigs are passing me at speeds of at least 75! Gee!

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Why would anyone tow a trailer at 70-75 mph is beyond my thinking. Let's hope they will never have to stop from that speed.
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Why would anyone tow a trailer at 70-75 mph is beyond my thinking. Let's hope they will never have to stop from that speed.
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Note... It is great to see speed testing done (in the interest of science and safety) but only at appropriate locations
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speed limit cars pulling trailers in California: 55 MPH. (Okaaaay... let's see how many really go that speed on I-5).

Way back on page 7 or 8 of this thread I brought up the "frontal area consideration" that Ford puts in their online documents. It was part of my decision to not get the Ford Escape. Ford doesn't list it as a "rating" nor "requirement", at least not in their online sales info, just a "consideration" or "limitation". I don't think that wording is going to get any lawyers all happy about another reason to blame any accident on someone exceeding such "limitation/consideration". But for me I was a bit worried about burning up the Escape. (I also balked at paying so much in order to get the towing package).

Hearing that folks are successfully towing their FGRV's and enjoying the nice MPG of the little Eco-boost engine makes we wonder if I prematurely eliminated this fine vehicle over this concern. Maybe by the time our Subaru Forester is getting old I'll re-visit the idea of getting the Ford Escape.
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Why would anyone tow a trailer at 70-75 mph is beyond my thinking. Let's hope they will never have to stop from that speed.
If the trailer brakes work right, it should be the same as just the vehicle. Before I put aftermarket brakes on the truck, it stopped better with the trailer, haven't tried it with the new brakes.
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Why do people keep saying the tow package costs alot? From Ford it is $435 for a class II 2in hitch ,bumper panel cut out, computer sway controll, and a smart 4-pin wire conection that will also reconize the trailer ...installed. Where can you get this cheaper "installed"?
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Why would anyone tow a trailer at 70-75 mph is beyond my thinking. Let's hope they will never have to stop from that speed.
Generally, I tow at or slightly below the posted speed limits. However, I have to admit that a couple times when I have not been paying strict attention to my speed, I have been guilty of towing in the 70-75 mph bracket for brief time periods. I guess that goes to show that fiberglass trailers can be so easy to tow that sometimes you don't really notice they are there.
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