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Old 08-06-2013, 01:50 PM   #267
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I agree with a couple things here. One is Daniel noting the cost of the tow package for the Escape. Negligible!

The other is towing a trailer with brakes. My experience is that it is as if my truck was braking normally, or even better! Plus part of the tow package with the new Escape is sway control...

Don't get me wrong here folks. I am an inveterate speed limit driver. I'm just not in a hurry, and I do not want/need to be looking for the guys in blue all the time.

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Old 08-06-2013, 04:20 PM   #268
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Just posted over on Escape forum, speed wastes fuel. Consumer Reports, August Sorry for the small print, but it says close to a 30% drop from 55 to 75 mph.
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:28 PM   #269
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Speed always wastes fuel, that's a no-brainer! First thing I did when I sealed the paint on the new Escape was take off the crossbars on the factory roof rack. Those things suck mileage and shouldn't be used unless ya gotta. T30 torx on both our '08 Outback and the new Escape, so we don't need to buy a new tool.

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Old 08-06-2013, 05:06 PM   #270
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Just posted over on Escape forum, speed wastes fuel. Consumer Reports, August Sorry for the small print, but it says close to a 30% drop from 55 to 75 mph.
I hope that doesn't surprise anybody. I'm not going to drive 55 in the 75 all the time to save a bit of fuel, though. I'll stick to the speed limit and get where I'm going to enjoy my vacation. They're short enough as it is.
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:21 AM   #271
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Why would anyone tow a trailer at 70-75 mph is beyond my thinking. Let's hope they will never have to stop from that speed.
Could we stay on topic? Most the speeds limits in my state are 70mph and the minimum speeds are 50mph, so a 20mph difference is a scary thing for you? The Ford Escape has 4 wheel anti lock disc brakes and stops from 70-0 in 170 feet. For my trailer, I have electric trailer brakes....My point was that the Ford Escape has no problem with square footage frontal area on my trailer even at higher speeds.
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:18 AM   #272
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Just posted over on Escape forum, speed wastes fuel. Consumer Reports, August Sorry for the small print, but it says close to a 30% drop from 55 to 75 mph.

If you don't already know that faster speed uses more fuel then maybe you shouldn't be driving.
Actual honest unbiased studies show that the safest speed to driver (least amount of accident involvement) is at 5 to 10 MPH over the AVERAGE speed of traffic. Go slower and the graph looks like a "U". Go faster, and about the same thing happens. The bottom of the U on the graph is in between 5 and 10 over the average speed.
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Actual honest unbiased studies show that the safest speed to driver (least amount of accident involvement) is at 5 to 10 MPH over the AVERAGE speed of traffic. Go slower and the graph looks like a "U". Go faster, and about the same thing happens. The bottom of the U on the graph is in between 5 and 10 over the average speed.
Daniel, I found a u-shaped graph like that on the web from some study done in TX in 1990. It is down a bit on this page: http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-slower-safer/

Is that the one you refer too?

Here I always thought going speed limit in the right lane and letting all those other folks fly by in the left was the way to go. Hmmm... Hard to teach old dogs new tricks!

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Daniel, I found a u-shaped graph like that on the web from some study done in TX in 1990. It is down a bit on this page: http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-slower-safer/

Is that the one you refer too?

Here I always thought going speed limit in the right lane and letting all those other folks fly by in the left was the way to go. Hmmm... Hard to teach old dogs new tricks!

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That's a phony math graph. Note there is no scale on the Y axis. Does going avg speed +/- 10 mph show a trivial risk increase, 1%? Significant risk increase, 50%? It doesn't say.

Note also, the organization advocates for higher speed limits so maybe they have a wee bit of bias in their presentation.

When towing, I'm most comfortable going about 65 and am religious about staying in the right lane. That's probably about the 10th percentile on an uncongested 70 mph limit freeway. When not towing I shoot for about the 90th percentile, generally high 70s. Both speeds keep the closing velocity with nearly all other vehicles quite low, 10 or 15 mph.
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That's why I was asking Daniel. I have no clue!

I drive speed limit most the time, and stay in the right lane. That changes on a multi-hour trip. I'll drive/tow faster usually in instances like that, but not all the time. I'm most comfortable just driving speed limit or a bit above. I'm still amazed on a daily basis (I'm on the interstate for a bit twice a day M-F) how fast people drive, incluidng those hauling big trailers!

Enjoy your day all!

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That's a phony math graph. Note there is no scale on the Y axis. Does going avg speed +/- 10 mph show a trivial risk increase, 1%? Significant risk increase, 50%? It doesn't say.

Note also, the organization advocates for higher speed limits so maybe they have a wee bit of bias in their presentation.

When towing, I'm most comfortable going about 65 and am religious about staying in the right lane. That's probably about the 10th percentile on an uncongested 70 mph limit freeway. When not towing I shoot for about the 90th percentile, generally high 70s. Both speeds keep the closing velocity with nearly all other vehicles quite low, 10 or 15 mph.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:30 AM   #276
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Rick, did you need to upgrade to a 7 pin RV plug? If so, where did you route the wires?

I'm still trying to find out how to remove interior panels to run wire from the back to the front, but about all I can find on the web is how to remove door panels, which is of no use to me!

When do you start towing? Or have you already?

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Yup got the 2013 SE in Tuxedo Black 2.0 turbo with tow package. And now I find out the 2014 have the backup camera as a standard feature.
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Since I'm feeling in a rabble-rousing mood today and haven't yet contributed to this absurdly long thread, I'll offer the following:

I don’t have any problem with the graph referenced. The Michigan State Police have no particular axe to grind with respect to the setting of speed limits but more with enforcing the limits set, unless one subscribes to the writing tickets as a principal income source theory. I expect they do have interest in identifying troublesome areas. I fully expect that the vertical axis is a subjective labelling to actual data.

Here’s a link to another study from California. A similar graph occurs about 2/3rds of the way in. In this graph the vertical axis is accidents per 1000 miles and it has two curves, one for 2-lane and the other for urban freeway. Like the graph disparaged above, they’ve also assigned risk levels of “low” and “safe” and presumably all other levels are “high” or perhaps "higher". I don’t see that what level they choose to label “safe” alters the conclusion that driving near the speed limit reduces the number accidents. Not only does the data support it but it passes the “sniff” test.

http://www.hwysafety.com/BHSPI_SettingSpeedLimits_CTCDC_060223.htm

Planting oneself in the right lane doing 10 or 15 mph under the limit is not a safety improving strategy. Not that I'm clear anyone is advocating that.

Lastly, every time a bone-head mountain biker flies by me on a forest trail it’s (sometimes) painfully obvious to both of us that speed differential is hazardous.

But then, I long ago lost track of the point of the thread so I could be wrong.
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This is getting REAL confusing, but then again, I'm 60 and easily befuddled...

Often I find myself in the company of tractor trailers when I'm going 65 on our interstates here. They go 65 a lot. 65 is the speed LIMIT, and while most people don't stay under the limit, there seem to be more and more like me that stay at 65. In fact, often I will have people come up behind me, and they must like my speed, because I end up with followers once in a while.

Now the average traffic speed must be around 70-75, the mean maybe a bit less. Is this data saying that I'm risking an accident by going speed limit in the right lane with other wackos like me?

Huh!

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I'm older than you so imagine how confused I must be. What's you definition of "risky"? Leaving the house is a risk. (depending on your house I suppose.)
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My idea of "risky" is getting off-topic, just like this! These new Escapes with the 2 liter ecoboost motors and factory tow packages are gonna take over the tug market for a lot of fiberglass trailers I bet!

Another idea of "risky" - removing interior panels to run wiring for a brake controller for our new Escape!

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