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Old 08-08-2013, 11:44 PM   #295
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I was just looking at the HP/torque curve graphs for some engines, including the 2L eco. The numbers compare very favorably, up to 3000 rpm. In fact, HP and torque below 2500 rpm both look better for this engine than for my Toyota 3.5L.

But I noticed that they also offer this engine in the Explorer, so I looked at Ford's max tow ratings for that vehicle. Interesting... the 2L eco gets a max tow of 2000 lbs, while the 3.5L (whether eco or not) gets 5000 lbs. I could not find a dyno graph for the normally aspirated Ford 3.5L, but suspect that it would also produce similar numbers to the 2L turbo at rpm below 2500. Yet Ford chose to give the 2L a much lower tow rating. As to the reason, we can only speculate.

One thing I noticed tonight really surprised me. Looking at those dyno graphs at 2000 rpm, the Toyota 3.5L and even the Ford 5L produce less than 100 HP! The 2L eco puts out just about 100 HP, and the 3.5L eco makes about 110 HP, at 2000 rpm. I guess I always imagined that these engines would already be giving something like 70% of their max HP by that point, but instead it's more like 30% or 35%. One must generally get these engines to 3000 rpm before they put out half or more of their peak HP. Well, now I see why it's so helpful to lock out overdrive (besides the torque converter lockup issues, of course).

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Old 08-09-2013, 07:24 AM   #296
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Thnxs for the good technical info Mike. Understanding this part of it is interesting.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:20 AM   #297
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Good info - shows why Ford is doing so well with smaller turbocharged engines.

HP is torque times rpm so its, by definition, going to be low at low rpms.

Torque, not HP, is what makes a vehicle 'feel' powerful. That's why a small (3 litre) low horsepower (240) Diesel engine can make a 5000# SUV feel as powerful as a 5.7 litre, 360 hp V8. It's rated to tow just as much too.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:50 AM   #298
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There is a lot of truth to that ....

Years ago when we first test drove our 1993 Nissan Quest the salesman said you really have to step on it because they don't have much power. Little did he know that the van towing our 23' was not a problem. The van only has 150HP but 180TQ.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:45 AM   #299
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I stopped by a dealer and looked at the new Ford Escapes. I noticed two nice changes in the 2014. The cargo area in the 14 is flat when the rear seats are folded down. The floor raises up about 3-4" in the 13 where the rear seats fold down. The SE now comes with a power drivers seat std. They also did away with the SEL model. I'm sure there are more changes but I just noticed those.
I wanted to see if the seats were comfortable since they seem to be much narrower than a late model Outback's. With the lumbar support in the power seat it really felt more comfortable than my Outback. When towing up to 12 hours a day comfort is a factor to be considered.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:05 AM   #300
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I stopped by a dealer and looked at the new Ford Escapes. I noticed two nice changes in the 2014. The cargo area in the 14 is flat when the rear seats are folded down. The floor raises up about 3-4" in the 13 where the rear seats fold down. The SE now comes with a power drivers seat std. They also did away with the SEL model. I'm sure there are more changes but I just noticed those.
I wanted to see if the seats were comfortable since they seem to be much narrower than a late model Outback's. With the lumbar support in the power seat it really felt more comfortable than my Outback. When towing up to 12 hours a day comfort is a factor to be considered.
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The rear cargo area floor has allways been adjustable for 2013MY, this was not a change. Alot of people dont know it will adjsut unless the see it in the other position. The seats are comfortable, they may feel a little differnt than what you are used to due to this is a global car and had to satisfy the tastes of people in other countrys. They do have excelent lumbar suport.The SEL didnt make sense when you could option a SE almost the same way..just a differnt way to bundle the options. Power seat option standard would have been nice but wonder it it adjusts as low as the manual seat? I am 6'3 and have over 4 inchs above my head when adjusted all the way down. I dont have the vista or sun roof so that would lower the head height a little. Take it for a test ride is the best bet. Also for late 2013 orders of the 2014, the foot activated liftgate will work when ordered with tow package.
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I test drove a 2013 (red 4wd 2L turbo) Escape on Saturday, and an Explorer 3.5L turbo, back to back. The Explorer felt like a truck, the Escape like a sporty car. The Escape cockpit felt like a good fit, was comfortable, and I didn't feel like getting out when the drive was over. However, I was underwhelmed by the 2L turbo's acceleration in comparison to my old Highlander (let alone the Explorer, which blows the doors off my HL).

In other words, I want an Escape... with a 3.5L turbo! If I only towed a Snoozy or a Scamp on occasion, rather than towing as part of making a living, I think I would get an Escape. It felt right.

From the Ford dealer I went to test drive a 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee. It felt less trucklike than the Explorer...the ride was significantly more refined. I was especially drawn to the digital transmission temp readout. When the diesel comes out, I'll have to drive it again.

I'm just thinking ahead. If the old Mountaineer (2000) dies I want to have some idea what to get. But barring ill circumstances I'd rather hold off a year or two on another monthly payment.
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I test drove a 2013 (red 4wd 2L turbo) Escape on Saturday, and an Explorer 3.5L turbo, back to back. The Explorer felt like a truck, the Escape like a sporty car. The Escape cockpit felt like a good fit, was comfortable, and I didn't feel like getting out when the drive was over. However, I was underwhelmed by the 2L turbo's acceleration in comparison to my old Highlander (let alone the Explorer, which blows the doors off my HL).

In other words, I want an Escape... with a 3.5L turbo! If I only towed a Snoozy or a Scamp on occasion, rather than towing as part of making a living, I think I would get an Escape. It felt right.

From the Ford dealer I went to test drive a 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee. It felt less trucklike than the Explorer...the ride was significantly more refined. I was especially drawn to the digital transmission temp readout. When the diesel comes out, I'll have to drive it again.

I'm just thinking ahead. If the old Mountaineer (2000) dies I want to have some idea what to get. But barring ill circumstances I'd rather hold off a year or two on another monthly payment.
The fastest test of a fully loaded 2013 2.0 4x4 Escape was done by Truth about cars .com, 0-60=6.4sec and 1/4=14.95@91.2. I cant find a quicker Highlander time?
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That's good to know about the flat rear cargo deck on the 2013. I'll have to tell the salesman because he did not know that it was adjustable.
Looks like Ford is playing games with the roof rack. In the 13 it was in a cargo package for about $400. In the 2014 you have to get a 201A package that includes everything but the kitchen sink and roof rack cross bars. Then the roof rack cross bars have to be ordered separately.
The bad thing about shopping on line for an Escape is they usually don't list the tow package. You have to look for the 2.0 eng. and then look at the rear pictures of the cars for the hitch.
I'm like Mike, just shopping for now. But for towing a MFGRV It really looks like a great multi-purpose light tow vehicle.
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:20 AM   #304
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We love our new 2.0 liter ecoboost Escape. We have not really put petal to the metal yet, no need. Car is very peppy as it is with a light foot! With luck, next year it will be hauling an egg of some kind. Still trying to figure that one out...

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I dunno, that one I drove certainly didn't push me back into the seat one bit when I hit the gas. 6.4 seconds should have felt like a '73 Corvette. I wonder... maybe something was set up wrong at the factory on that one I tried. Maybe I'll go to another dealer sometime and try a different one. I have seen a 0-60 time listed for the Explorer Sport Ecoboost at 5.9 seconds, and it felt that way to me, but the Escape was way off from that feeling. (Yes, I made sure it was the 2L turbo and not the 1.6L.)

P.S.: '08 HL = 7.2 seconds
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Towed my 13' Boler for the first time last week with my 2013 Ford Escape SE 2.0L Turbo with tow package. Barely felt the trailer behind and WOW what power. Even in the rain on the way back on Sunday the 4WD sure feels nice towing the trailer. No wheel spin or turbo lag at all. Glad I decided on the Escape. As for pulling you into the seat when you punch it. Mine does and I have driven some powerful cars in my day. My Escape goes like hell but then I did break it in right.

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I dunno, that one I drove certainly didn't push me back into the seat one bit when I hit the gas. 6.4 seconds should have felt like a '73 Corvette. I wonder... maybe something was set up wrong at the factory on that one I tried. Maybe I'll go to another dealer sometime and try a different one. I have seen a 0-60 time listed for the Explorer Sport Ecoboost at 5.9 seconds, and it felt that way to me, but the Escape was way off from that feeling. (Yes, I made sure it was the 2L turbo and not the 1.6L.)

P.S.: '08 HL = 7.2 seconds
Their is a feature on most Ford car's now called "my key", a parent can set some perameters like top speed and max sound levels and other things. Maybe that was activated on the one you drove. The Explorer Sport with tow package and 3.5 Ecoboost is $41,000. Yes, Car and Driver 0-60 =5.9 1/4 mile=14.5 sec @97mph. They also observed only 18mpg...
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2013 Escape SE Turbo with Tow Pkg

I have the tow package for the purpose of both cargo trailer (for moving, etc., etc.) and for towing a boat (hopefully).

I have not yet towed with the Escape, but have been mostly pleased with the vehicle, although the AC can be wacky and seems to "freeze up" during use in the 110F temps for some reason.

Love to hear feedback on those who have towed with the SE Turbo as I am now trying to figure what exactly I can purchase, in terms of trailer. This will be my first vehicle for towing and that means understanding GVWR and GAWR, etc. and how that might tie together with the 3500 pound towing capacity.

Anyone with experience towing is welcome to explain/advise. :-) In the mean time, I'm trying to read through Ford information and website definitions etc. so I don't torch the 2.0 EcoBoost and make it an EcoBust. LOL
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