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Old 03-20-2013, 07:54 AM   #29
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Rick,
Just went back to your first post and can't tell what size Boler you have but if it's a 13 just about any thing can tow a 13. Certainly your tow rating seems adequate for a Boler 17.

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Old 03-21-2013, 06:18 AM   #30
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My Boler is a 13', but what people don't realize is that sure anything can pull the Boler but you have to consider total weight of the trailer as well as everything in it and how much stuff you have in the tug and I would bet that most people are over 1500# which is the tow limit of most TUGS.
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Do use your Escape Hybrid to tow? If so what kind of performance do you get?

Thank you Norm
Just remember that hybrid vehicles are only efficient with the engine "off" and any load variations on the drivetrain will cause it to turn on.

Most towing is done cruising 55+ down the road. The gas engine would always be on for that. I'm willing to bet that your CRV gets better fuel economy than any Hybrid SUV while towing. Hybrid fuel economy on the highway is lower than that of the same gas engine vehicle. (Tons of battery weight in the back+ the additional drag of the hybrid drive components)

Just my opinion. I haven't worked on hybrid "cars" for a few years. The only ones I've had lately are from a DPW fleet of bucket trucks- a truly stupid idea.
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... I would bet that most people are over 1500# which is the tow limit of most TUGS.
While it may be true that 1500 pounds is the tow limit of most cars, very few vehicles which are used as tugs have a limit which is that low. I agree that most of our trailers are over 1500 pounds gross operating weight.
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Just remember that hybrid vehicles are only efficient with the engine "off" and any load variations on the drivetrain will cause it to turn on.

Most towing is done cruising 55+ down the road. The gas engine would always be on for that. I'm willing to bet that your CRV gets better fuel economy than any Hybrid SUV while towing. Hybrid fuel economy on the highway is lower than that of the same gas engine vehicle. (Tons of battery weight in the back+ the additional drag of the hybrid drive components)

Just my opinion. I haven't worked on hybrid "cars" for a few years. The only ones I've had lately are from a DPW fleet of bucket trucks- a truly stupid idea.
A hybrid is more efficient because it recaptures some of the energy normally wasted in braking. For continuous operation with little braking, a hybrid doesn't make much sense. In applications with a lot of braking like a garbage truck or UPS truck, a hybrid can make a lot of sense. I've seen some simple hydraulic systems that merely capture the braking energy as hydraulic pressure, then release it to launch the vehicle. These systems can be a lot less expensive than an electrical hybrid with batteries and motor generators.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:04 PM   #34
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Hybrid,
If one were to purchase a CMax Energi every day 20 of our max daily max of 150 miles would be virtually free miles. Last year we drove 23,000 miles in 315 days. If we drove 20 'free' electric miles each day that would amount to 6,300 electric miles on our trip or about 1/4 of our miles.

This totally discounts any thing recaptured.

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Old 03-21-2013, 04:10 PM   #35
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Where does the free electricity come from, Norm?

I wanna get me some of that!

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Since I daily drive less then 20 miles, a free 20 miles a day would rock! They probably want more then the $400 I spent on the poop fly though.
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Even if you had to pay for it is inexpensive. When we're in an electric site the camping charges are the same as for a 45' motorhome; I would not feel guilty plugging in at night.
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Even if you had to pay for it is inexpensive. When we're in an electric site the camping charges are the same as for a 45' motorhome; I would not feel guilty plugging in at night.
The point is that someone does have to pay for electricity, one way or another.

This is a pet peeve of mine. This kind of discussion usually centers on gas mileage/cost as if electricity is simply free.

It's not. Anywhere.

And in the case of electric vehicles, if the true cost ever becomes part of the discussion I think many will be surprised to find that it's likely more expensive than any other form of transport.

And by "true cost", that must include that borne by taxpayers who subsidize that industry and in some cases are now being asked to build "fueling stations" and other supportive infrastructure for it.

"Free/low cost to the beneficiary" is not the same thing as "free/low cost".

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Even if you had to pay for it is inexpensive. When we're in an electric site the camping charges are the same as for a 45' motorhome; I would not feel guilty plugging in at night.
Good point. This would be a unique opportunity to max out the "free" electricity aspect of camping.
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Francesca,

It was towing our Scamp 16 with our Honda CRV, please note it was mostly a downhill run from Crater Lake with very little traffic. The total mileage was about 200 miles. The mpgs were dramatically better than we normally get.

It was quite clear that as we headed down the mountain high mpgs would happen, since we were often getting instanatenous mpgs well over 100 mpg.

When I look over our mpg history its clear when we were driving into a head wind. The downhill run was a hoot, imagining that kind of mileage all the time if I had a little diesel ot the equivalent.

With the coming new mpg regulations we may get those small diesels after all.

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I agree that as a broad societal proposition electric plug-in vehicles are not currently as green or as economical a solution as many claim. Yet on an individual case-by-case basis they might make sense for some, and I will not criticize anyone who finds them personally advantageous.
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A hybrid is more efficient because it recaptures some of the energy normally wasted in braking. For continuous operation with little braking, a hybrid doesn't make much sense. In applications with a lot of braking like a garbage truck or UPS truck, a hybrid can make a lot of sense. I've seen some simple hydraulic systems that merely capture the braking energy as hydraulic pressure, then release it to launch the vehicle. These systems can be a lot less expensive than an electrical hybrid with batteries and motor generators.
The problem with using a hybrid on a heavy duty truck is that much of the wasted fuel is from idling with accessories such as hydraulic pumps running.

I've dealt with the hydraulic systems. Interesting, but not really worth the extra maintenance/weight for the small fuel savings.

The biggest waste of fuel is the driver keeping the pedal on the floorboard. A hybrid saves NO fuel when running foot to the floor.
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