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Old 10-08-2016, 08:49 PM   #29
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: anything weighing over 1600#'s requires brakes.
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My Grampaw once had a bull which weighed over 2000#... no brakes... but I assume you meant travel trailers in California?

Now its 1000# in New York, 3000# in IllAnnoy, 1500# in some other states. With a range from "stopping distance to 6000#, which one is right?

Notice I recommended brakes for this application,"required or not".
BTW plenty of Scamp13s are under 1500#.

Surely your not saying that I should not have ordered brakes for my Scamp13 because they are not required?
Installing them because of good judgement kinda obviates any requirement it exceeds... now don't it?
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:27 PM   #30
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I left out your quote re recommending buying the brakes for improved performance, as you had already said it and as you can see in my first post I agreed with you ;-)

I simple added the legal requirement for brakes re weight of trailer being 50% of the vehicle, due to the fact that the OP may not be aware of the actual laws in regards to brakes. Would be a shame if they were to find out about it after the fact should they have an accident and the lack of brakes on the trailer is found to have been a contributing factor.
Where in the world did you find that number. I've looked a lot of towing laws and the 50% thing didn't show up. Now I haven't looked all laws but that sounds bogus to me.
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:42 PM   #31
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Beyond the safety issue, there is an economic one as well. Compare the price of a Jetta brake job and a 13 foot Scamp brake job. No brakes; that Jetta is going to be in the shop a lot sooner.
Not really a legitimate factor. I don't pull more than ten thousand miles a year. I do my own brakes. Jetta is much cheaper than trailer. I'm not against trailer brakes, but having them is more cost and maintenance than not. My reaction control on my car is amazing. In the slick conditions described, the trailer would lose control from not having the intelligent system my car has. It would certainly be more likely to pass me in slick conditions because a controller could in no way compensate. Fact is, I like trailer brakes. They're an upgrade just like all the other options Scamp offers. That's business. The business is to make money. IF IT CAME TO A MATTER OF SAFETY AND RESPONSIBILITY, A COMPANY LIKE SCAMP WOULD NEVER CONSIDER NOT INCLUDING $100 WORTH OF PARTS, rather than making it an upgrade. Anyone who believes otherwise certainly would not purchase a trailer from such a disreputable operation. When you order the brakes, do yourself the favor of educating yourself on the operation, or they can be very dangerous. You must know the ideal settings for warm and dry conditions, as well as cool, damp, or slick conditions. For example, a couple weeks back I drove beartooth highway. When I left Yellowstone, the temperature was 65 Fahrenheit. Add I drove the pass, the temperature degraded to thirty-three degrees with ice. That simple drive would have necessitated several different controller settings. My warm-weather setting could have killed me if not changed during the drive. The canned answers here concern me. We certainly need to express that having brakes means an aspect of education and complication the driver must be educated on. Those brakes could kill you, they could cause tire blowouts, and they certainly will be more expensive to maintain. (A service on trailer brakes is replacing the entire plate assembly). Again, my conclusion, if the price is the same, (of if I'm bored though to install a kit and have a factory controller so I don't hack my TV interior), I choose brakes. Are they safer? No, they're different. Just like other differences Scamp offers. If they were a safety concern, Scamp couldn't afford to make them optional. Just as a dealer would suggest a bathroom, a/c, nice cabinets, etc., there's a reason for the recommendation, and it isn't safety.
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:48 PM   #32
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BTW plenty of Scamp13s are under 1500#.

Funny is it not that we have no Scamp 13's that appear on either the original list in Trailer Weights in the Real world or the updated current spread sheet that weigh under 1500lbs.

Original Trailer Weights in the Real World list - weights Listed are Axle, Tongue & total:
15___13_____Scamp___________________1420_____200__ __1620
18___13_____Scamp______Standard_____1480_____240__ __1720
23___13_____Scamp______Standard_____1720_____230__ __1950


From current updated spread sheet:


13' Scamp Delux Oak 1460 230 1690
13' Scamp Deluxe Oak 1460 230 1690
13' Scamp Standard 1480 240 1720
13' Scamp Standard 1720 230 1950
13' Scamp With Bathroom 1740 220 1960
13' Scamp 1420 200 1620
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:55 PM   #33
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I think we've beaten this thread to death.

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Old 10-08-2016, 09:59 PM   #34
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It's good to have all the information. I've seen lots of wrecks because of not understanding the the mechanical systems and behaviors of a trailer. Everyone has to have a learning curve, but I'm afraid of the person who has confidence that they're safer because the trailer has brakes.
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Old 10-08-2016, 10:21 PM   #35
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Where in the world did you find that number. I've looked a lot of towing laws and the 50% thing didn't show up. Now I haven't looked all laws but that sounds bogus to me.
LOL nothing bogus about it Byron.

Sometimes you just have to read the fine print


Take a look at the RVDA of Canada site. It lists a number of examples of the law in Canada - BC, Alberta, Saskatoon, North West Territories.

The AAA Digest of Motor Laws gives a few examples of the law in the US (where many are actually only 40%) - Alabama , Florida , Maryland , Montana , New Jersey, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington,
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Old 10-08-2016, 10:34 PM   #36
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Hi Scampers and Others,
I really appreciate people taking the time to chime in on this. After reading all the opinions, I think we'll err on the side of caution and get the brakes. I am impressed how much thought people put into their responses and am grateful to all who gave advice. Thanks again and see you on the road!
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Old 10-08-2016, 11:16 PM   #37
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LOL nothing bogus about it Byron.

Sometimes you just have to read the fine print


Take a look at the RVDA of Canada site. It lists a number of examples of the law in Canada - BC, Alberta, Saskatoon, North West Territories.

The AAA Digest of Motor Laws gives a few examples of the law in the US (where many are actually only 40%) - Alabama , Florida , Maryland , Montana , New Jersey, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington,
That's it. But it's 40% not 50%. I just read the same web site for the second time today. Only 7 states and the District of Columbia make that statement. That a pretty small percentage of the states.
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Old 10-08-2016, 11:18 PM   #38
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In the case of trailer brakes I don't care if the law requires or not, I don't want to do without them. At least twice my trailer brakes saved my trailer.
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Old 10-08-2016, 11:22 PM   #39
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My Grampaw once had a bull which weighed over 2000#... no brakes... but I assume you meant travel trailers in California?

Now its 1000# in New York, 3000# in IllAnnoy, 1500# in some other states. With a range from "stopping distance to 6000#, which one is right?

Notice I recommended brakes for this application,"required or not".
BTW plenty of Scamp13s are under 1500#.

Surely your not saying that I should not have ordered brakes for my Scamp13 because they are not required?
Installing them because of good judgement kinda obviates any requirement it exceeds... now don't it?
: all of the US states that if over 1600#'s then you have to have brakes our unit weighs 2400#'s so we have brakes in the Tow'd. I really do not need a ticket as we have been pulled over and lucky for us we had a brake set up for the Toad, there is a site on line saying which states in the USA you need to have brakes in and also for Canada to which Provinces you need to have brakes.
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That's it. But it's 40% not 50%. I just read the same web site for the second time today. Only 7 states and the District of Columbia make that statement. That a pretty small percentage of the states.
Yes in the US states it 40% of the GVW but were I live its 50%.

Yes its a small percentage of States that have the law but its clearly not a bogus law as you suggested
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Since the front brakes on our vehicles do most of the work when stopping, perhaps rear brakes should be optional. I'm sure we could adapt and think how much money we'd save. Raz
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... The canned answers here concern me. We certainly need to express that having brakes means an aspect of education and complication the driver must be educated on. Those brakes could kill you, they could cause tire blowouts ...
The canned answers concern me as well ... including some of yours.

Please educate me on how trailer brakes cause tire blowouts.

On edit: I see you want to delete your account.
Delete forum account?

Newbie with 16 posts and a number controversial statements makes me wonder if a troll is among us.
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