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Old 12-04-2014, 11:36 AM   #43
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I tow a Trillium with both a Saturn Vue (auto) and a Honda Passport (stick). I prefer the stick for the above mentioned reasons, but I'll add one more. In this modern, hi-tech age you're a lot less likely to have your car/tow vehicle stolen as 1) many (most?) thieves can't drive a stick and 2) it'd be harder to pass on. Just one of those things that make me feel slightly more comfortable far from home.
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Old 12-04-2014, 12:48 PM   #44
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Everybody that drives a manual transmission is way above the average driver, if you don't believe me just ask them, they'd be more than happy to tell you good a driver they are.
But if you ask all drivers, you'll find that most of them think they are better than the average....
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Old 12-04-2014, 02:22 PM   #45
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Fact is that automatic transmissions (with trans cooler) a far better for towing in today's modern SUV/Trucks.

I noted that an earlier post indicated a major failure of a Dodge automatic transmission...not a big suprise as consumers reports indicated a very high failure rate in Dodge Automatics. Consumers Reports may not always be correct in their reports but I avoid any vehicle that they rate poorly...better safe than sorry.
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Old 12-04-2014, 03:27 PM   #46
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Automatics and standards are both capable of doing the job. The reality is that in NA they are hard to find, not the case in Europe.

Standards use to cost less, and I always thought more reliable and efficient, at least in the old days.

Floyd,

Transmission cube is a play on flash cubes in old time cameras. By the way we did own two very good Fords, an LTD wagon and a 65 Mustang.
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Old 12-04-2014, 04:42 PM   #47
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Fact is that automatic transmissions (with trans cooler) a far better for towing in today's modern SUV/Trucks.

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True... Far better for many of them since the alternative is no transmission at all!
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Old 12-04-2014, 04:43 PM   #48
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I have some preference for the connection I feel with the vehicle when driving with a stick, especially if the road is poor or the weather conditions are bad.

At highway speeds on long drives how would I know the difference except getting on and off the highway? In stop and go traffic I guess the automatic is easier but in general driving a stick becomes automatic after awhile. You don't think about shifting you just do it, no different than keeping ones balance on a bicycle or leaning on curves on a motorcycle.

I darn sure know I miss a clutch when I have needed to "rock" out of being stuck in mud or snow. The only stick I never really liked was the three on the tree P/U truck I drove for awhile. The angles or throw just never seemed comfortable in that truck. Now my old dodge van with the same sort of steering column shifter suited me fine.

Wife on the other hand has no use for a stick (can drive one so if someone steals your tow vehicle.... Hmmm?) Both our regular vehicles are automatics but that is mostly due to models purchased and a desire to have both of us comfortable driving each others vehicle.

Of course you have to remember I'm a dinosaur, I still prefer rear wheel drive. I don't care that it is less efficient, I have decades worth of reflexes built around how that system responds. AND I have never mastered doing a "Rockford" in front wheel drive, even though it's a piece of cake in rear wheel drive vehicle. I guess better is really personal eh?
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Automatics and standards are both capable of doing the job. The reality is that in NA they are hard to find, not the case in Europe.

Standards use to cost less, and I always thought more reliable and efficient, at least in the old days.

Floyd,

Transmission cube is a play on flash cubes in old time cameras. By the way we did own two very good Fords, an LTD wagon and a 65 Mustang.
I guess if you can remember the "Flash Cube"... At least it lasted 4 times longer than a "Transmission Bulb" of the same era!
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I have some preference for the connection I feel with the vehicle when driving with a stick, especially if the road is poor or the weather conditions are bad.

At highway speeds on long drives how would I know the difference except getting on and off the highway? In stop and go traffic I guess the automatic is easier but in general driving a stick becomes automatic after awhile. You don't think about shifting you just do it, no different than keeping ones balance on a bicycle or leaning on curves on a motorcycle.

I darn sure know I miss a clutch when I have needed to "rock" out of being stuck in mud or snow. The only stick I never really liked was the three on the tree P/U truck I drove for awhile. The angles or throw just never seemed comfortable in that truck. Now my old dodge van with the same sort of steering column shifter suited me fine.

Wife on the other hand has no use for a stick (can drive one so if someone steals your tow vehicle.... Hmmm?) Both our regular vehicles are automatics but that is mostly due to models purchased and a desire to have both of us comfortable driving each others vehicle.

Of course you have to remember I'm a dinosaur, I still prefer rear wheel drive. I don't care that it is less efficient, I have decades worth of reflexes built around how that system responds. AND I have never mastered doing a "Rockford" in front wheel drive, even though it's a piece of cake in rear wheel drive vehicle. I guess better is really personal eh?
Doing a Rockford is maybe even easier with front wheel drive.
I wouldn't try it with the trailer on though!
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Old 12-04-2014, 06:01 PM   #51
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Fact is that automatic transmissions (with trans cooler) a far better for towing in today's modern SUV/Trucks.

I noted that an earlier post indicated a major failure of a Dodge automatic transmission...not a big suprise as consumers reports indicated a very high failure rate in Dodge Automatics. Consumers Reports may not always be correct in their reports but I avoid any vehicle that they rate poorly...better safe than sorry.
That was me with the dodge Ram tranny failure.... At 97,000 miles and very little towing maybe 6,000 miles total and fluids changed i was shocked and even more shocked at the rebuild price. I would rather have a clutch go bad
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That was me with the dodge Ram tranny failure.... At 97,000 miles and very little towing maybe 6,000 miles total and fluids changed i was shocked and even more shocked at the rebuild price. I would rather have a clutch go bad
We had several dodge truck transmissions fail in fleet service. We found a transmission shop which modified the transmission during the rebuild process to allow the use of Dextron fluid. Not one of the modified transmissions suffered a failure for the balance of its fleet service.

I don't recall all the actual changes made but I think it had to do with drilling out ports in the valve body to allow better flow at a higher viscosity than the stock fluid.
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I was told a somewhat similar story on the rebuild as i am friends with the shop owner and he recommended to let him do the rebuild with the upgrades vs off the shelf rebuild.
If and when i buy a new pickup (which i doubt right now $$) it will be a 2500/250 model with standard shift.... And "No" I don't think i'm a better driver LOL
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We had several dodge truck transmissions fail in fleet service. We found a transmission shop which modified the transmission during the rebuild process to allow the use of Dextron fluid. Not one of the modified transmissions suffered a failure for the balance of its fleet service.

I don't recall all the actual changes made but I think it had to do with drilling out ports in the valve body to allow better flow at a higher viscosity than the stock fluid.
You would hope that moving forward that the problem is solved by what sounds like a simple solution.
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What ended towing with a manual transmission for me was the "hill holder clutch". Raz
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Ever did the two pedal left foot thing? Some cars were well laid out for this trick.

Edit: I mean "right foot".
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