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Old 05-14-2015, 07:33 AM   #29
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Hmmmm, this is beginning to sound like a broken record from daze thought to be long gone....


Lets stick to FGRV's and actual experiences with same, rather than in opinions sourced from peeps that may have a vested interest in selling expensive hitches that we don't really need.


That "Towing Professional" lost me at towing a 34' trailer with a Jetta Diesel.
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Old 05-14-2015, 07:56 AM   #30
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I looked at the one link you provided
With so many good towing resources out there you are off to a good start Pat. Towing forums are like politics. Everyone has a personal view. That is understandable.

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Humm would these be the same folks you have mentioned previously having worked for at one time and live just down the road from?
Yes, in the same way I own the Tosh-ma-hall, I'm the brother of Donald Trump, and I live down the road from Paul MaCartney in Tim-Buc-tu...... LOL
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:57 AM   #31
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I know that towing is a sensitive subject for a few people on the site.

Relating one's experience. referencing a link, giving your opinion can be dangerous.

It's certainly unnecessary to criticize a person because of their view. Just state yours and move on.

It's OK that someone's experience or reference doesn't line up with yours. If you're experience is different state it and move on, like Mike did about his 4 Runner.

It's unfortunate that often a moderator will close a thread like this when one person's view don't align with a small number of members. It's not fair that loudness wins.
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Old 05-14-2015, 12:15 PM   #32
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Quote from whom? Again, no specifics on which 4Runners. No specifics on what they are referring to.

The SAE, however, tested 4Runners in towing tests under a variety of conditions and rated 5000 towing capacity for our particular one. There are other experts who give them high marks not to mention owners who tow with them..
YES the SAE J2807 is indeed something the OP can use to help decide on a new tow vehicle rather than reading/hearing opinions of parties who may be somewhat biased for a variety of reasons.

The standard SAE J2807 has been adopted by pretty well all the vehicle manufactures and it applies to Light trucks, minivan, sport utility, and crossover vehicles.
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Old 05-14-2015, 01:05 PM   #33
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I tow my 13 ft Perris Pacer with a 01 Toyota 4runner and 02 Toyota Tacoma ! Both 4wd v6 ! And I get between 14-16 mpg ! Norm is about 19.5 - 22 mpg without towing ! 😎
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Mex Bob,

Added both vehicles to the list. What size tires do you have on the trailer?

Thank you
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Old 05-14-2015, 01:30 PM   #35
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For our AZ, NV and CA friends.

Have any of you done the Davis Dam run? On Davis Dam road are Semis always doing 35 mph or better? Also a great part of the standard is about trailers/truck combinations almost like there's a bias towards trucks as tow vehicles.

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I've driven the Davis Dam grade multiple times in the past 18 months, both with and without my Scamp 19 since I was helping a friend build a whitewater dory in Bullhead City. In all of that time, I NEVER saw a semi on the grade. For that matter, I never quite understood the reasoning for the Davis Dam grade being the basis for tow rating. As just one example, there's stuff on Utah's Highway 12 that is much more challenging.
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Also a great part of the standard is about trailers/truck combinations almost like there's a bias towards trucks as tow vehicles.
Bias towards trucks? Seriously?

The Standard was developed by the Society of Automotive Engineers which is a global professional association and standards organization for engineering professionals.

The SAE J2807 Standard has been agreed to by the vehicle manufactures to "establishes minimum performance criteria at GCWR and calculation methodology to determine tow-vehicle TWR for passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles and trucks. This includes ALL vehicles up to 13 000 lb GVWR. "

No bias towards trucks on the part of the engineers who developed the standard or the vehicle manufactures who agreed to it.

The Standard simple protects the consumer in making sure all manufactures are using the same criteria for establishing/proving a vehicles tow rating. The consumer is no longer forced to second guess how the tow rating set on a vehicle was determined. It pretty well puts the old argument we have heard here time and time again thats its simple the corporate lawyers who set the tow ratings.

As far as your question on semi's doing 35 mph on the Davis Dam goes I am not sure of the relevance to topic of the J2807 Standard as as they are all well over 13000 GVWR & are not included in the standard. To include them would be a bit like trying to comparing an apple to an orange which the stand was written/developed to avoid.

The auto manufactures do not have to use the Davis Dam itself for their testing & as I understand it many don't - they simple need to prove the vehicles ability using the grade criteria as stipulated in the actual standard. Having a set grade standard is critical to the validity of the test, without it there would be no point in it.

The Davis Dam happens to be one location that fits the grade criteria all the manufactures agreed to use. The fact is there are lots of roads of lesser grade, as well as greater grades that many of us have towed on. So one could also ask why did they not just set it at the highest grade tourist can be found pulling trailers around on? Would that not from a safety standard perspective be a better test? My guess is the manufactures would never have agreed to that as that would have taken many of the lighter smaller vehicles right out of the towing picture and made the test as you suggest biased to the larger trucks.

If there is a bias it is only on the part of the consumer in so far as trucks are by far the most poplar vehicle used for towing and such you will find more stories written about the SAE standard in publications catering to the truck crowd.
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I read the document through, I think 3 times over the years.

I agree they have the general inclusive statement in the first part but when you read the test sections it's refers to trucks and trailers.

I was wondering about the 35/40 mph criteria and wondering if semis have to meet it as well. I know in driving over the hump to Pahrump, NV (no Davis Dam Road) the semis are really slow with flashers blinking.

Nothing to be upset about here.

By the way, though trucks are popular tow vehicles for fiberglass RV, the majority of the people on the spread sheet do not tow with a truck. (I know the sample size is only about 100 but it's what we have.)

I expect the truck manufacturers would like it if people used trucks for towing, trucks are typically their most profitable vehicle.
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I read the document through, I think 3 times over the years.

I agree they have the general inclusive statement in the first part but when you read the test sections it's refers to trucks and trailers.

I was wondering about the 35/40 mph criteria and wondering if semis have to meet it as well. I know in driving over the hump to Pahrump, NV (no Davis Dam Road) the semis are really slow with flashers blinking.

Nothing to be upset about here.

By the way, though trucks are popular tow vehicles for fiberglass RV, the majority of the people on the spread sheet do not tow with a truck. (I know the sample size is only about 100 but it's what we have.)

I expect the truck manufacturers would like it if people used trucks for towing, trucks are typically their most profitable vehicle.

Upset? Nay!

Keep in mind that % of folks towing light small fiberglass trailers is a very small number in the total trailer world! ;-)

While there may be a higher profit in trucks a number of the auto makers who agreed to test their vehicles using the SAE J2807 don't have a truck in their line up at the time they made the agreement. Jeep, Honda, Subaru and Mazada are just a few I can think of.
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Hello!

We have just placed our order for a Lil Snoozy and now have to purchase a tow vehicle. (We have never towed anything, so this is all foreign territory to us.)
I just came across a great guide to towing that explains just about everything you need to know. It's worth some time to study it before you buy a tug.. GL!
http://www.jayco.com/files/pages/002...wing-guide.pdf
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For our AZ, NV and CA friends.

Have any of you done the Davis Dam run? On Davis Dam road are Semis always doing 35 mph or better? Also a great part of the standard is about trailers/truck combinations almost like there's a bias towards trucks as tow vehicles.

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