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Old 11-21-2012, 09:10 AM   #29
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Please Read the Manual!

I don't see any point in speculating about the towing capacity of the Sportage, when the owner is available to read the owner's manual and the same manual is readily available on-line to anyone:
Kia Motors America - MYKia login
Kia Canada - Kia Owners - Owner's Manual (no login or registration required)

Even more puzzling is why the owner won't read the manual, which has both extensive explanations of loading and towing limits, and a very clear statement of the trailer weight limit value for each variation of the vehicle, with and without trailer brakes. Of course this forum is available if there are questions about the material in the manual, after reading it.

Hint: the towing information starts at page 54 of section 5, and the limits are in a table on page 60.

Note: Kia's manual for the Sportage is typical of owner's manuals - they are usually quite informative, and the manuals for several brands are available online.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:13 AM   #30
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Even more puzzling is why the owner won't read the manual, which has both extensive explanations of loading and towing limits, and a very clear statement of the trailer weight limit value for ....
Brian, it appears the owner has read his manual as he not the one speculating on his Sportage's tow capacity. Others are though

What the OP is unclear on though is the actual weight specs for his trailer - the trailer specs he has do not seem likely to be very accurate.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:29 PM   #31
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I feel the same way about my 2003 Honda Odyssey LX. It is the only car I ever bought brand new at a Dealership, and I bought it specifically because it was not-a-truck that could tow a one-and-three-quarters ton trailer.
I have to say that Honda definitely has my attention in the potential-new-tug department!

What they've done in recent years with the integrated hitch (for now I think only on the Pilot) is brilliant... very forward-looking given the increasing number of folks that think exactly as you so well express it above.

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Old 11-21-2012, 08:44 PM   #32
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I have to say that Honda definitely has my attention in the potential-new-tug department!

What they've done in recent years with the integrated hitch (for now I think only on the Pilot) is brilliant... very forward-looking...
I agree that a hitch receiver integrated into the vehicle structure is a good idea, but I don't think it is brilliant - it adds no capability beyond that of a properly mounted add-on hitch, so any vehicle with sound provisions to attach a hitch is just as capable.

I also wouldn't credit Honda with any achievement here - integrated hitches are the normal practice in the industry for body-on-frame SUVs and are quite common in pickup trucks. Honda only does this on the Pilot and perhaps Ridgeline, as far as I know. It may be unusual for a unibody (such as those Hondas), but even the Pilot's receiver is probably bolted on - it's just well-integrated into the vehicle and specifically into the bumper cover and possibly bumper support beam. The VW Touareg (and it's Audi and Porsche variants) have an equally well-integrated hitch (and higher towing capacity than a Pilot).

I'm not anti-Honda (we own two, and I have put a few hundred thousand kilometres on four of them over the years) - I'm just providing a broader perspective.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:55 PM   #33
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Brian, it appears the owner has read his manual...
Do you think so? I don't... and I didn't mean to suggest that Sylvain was the one who was speculating.

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I have a small suv with a classe 1 hitch. (rated for 2000lbs towing capacity and 200lbs for the tongue...
This is the only rating information Sylvain has reported, and it is (as he explained) for the hitch, not the tug.

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... the trailer has a towing brake that I can use in conjunction with my brakes, how would that info alter towing specs?
This is very clearly and directly answered in the Kia's owner's manual - there would be no reason for someone who had read and understood the manual to ask this, and he isn't asking for clarification of anything in the manual.

Sylvain - if you have read the manual, please accept my apologies for my faulty assumption... but it would be good to acknowledge that you now have the answers to your questions about the tug's capacity.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:07 PM   #34
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Even more puzzling is why the owner won't read the manual


You're a real card, Brian!

What on earth would any of us do with the too-much-time we have on our hands if folks read the manual?!?

And need I remind you that nothing is true 'til verified here at FiberglassRV?

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Do you think so? I don't... and I didn't mean to suggest that Sylvain was the one who was speculating.
Well perhaps not initially but I am pretty sure that by know he is clear that he only has a 2000lb tow limit with trailer brakes which matches his hitch specs and that its a pretty good bet that the trailer he was hoping to tow with the tug is going to weigh in at more than that. Which at the end of the day is the more important factor
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:43 AM   #36
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Hi everyone. Wow..you guys and gals are a passionate bunch. I love it.
Ok, so I did read the Sportage owner's manual and towing capacity is clear.

This is where it gets confusing: I have a brochure for the Oxigen and it states that indicated weights on the brochure are approximates only...!?! Hmmm, okay. The brochure mentions that dry weight (including appliances) is 2080 Lbs, there is a fluids allowance of 212 Lbs and a cargo allowance of 416 Lbs. Grand total: 2708 Lbs.

Then there are ads on this forum that mention different weights for the Oxigen. IE: A seller mentions that the Oxigen is very easy to tow because the weight is under 1900 Lbs. Another mentions that he saw a Pontiac Sunfire pulling an Oxigen on the highway...Also, my father has been pulling his (now my) Oxigen with a Subaru Legacy (which has the same towing capacity as a Sportage) with no problems over several years.

In any case, this is my conclusion: I will have to weigh the trailer according to industry standards when I head to the maritimes in the spring and make a decision then.

Thanks for the comments and be sure that I will be posting a "for sale" ad on here eventually..
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Glad to hear you have it figured out

It is very common for sellers BTW to understate the weight of their trailers. Apparently they have never bothered to actually weigh them.

Regarding your fathers Legacy depending on the year of it the tow cap with a trailer with brakes my have actually have been 2700lbs rather than 2000 lbs - Subaru bumped up the tow cap in 05 to 2700lbs from 2000lbs,
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If the weight is anywhere near 2,000 you could also try a weight reduction program. Maybe there are 2 20 lb propane tanks that you could swap with a 10 lb fiberglass, etc.

This being written by a person who carries only one gallon of water, has no refrigerator and wants to downsize to a 10 lb fiberglass propane tank.

Having said that I think you really do need a smaller trailer for your vehicle.

Hope to hear more from you in the future. Stick with us.

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Hi Nancy, thanks for the mention, I am considering this option, I have experience with commercial/industrial materials and design and will be re-thinking the interior with a focus on:
a. weight reduction
b. functionality
c. esthetics

But this is a long term project...
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Hi Nancy, thanks for the mention, I am considering this option, I have experience with commercial/industrial materials and design and will be re-thinking the interior with a focus on:
a. weight reduction
b. functionality
c. esthetics

But this is a long term project...
That's the spirit, Sylvain - no trailer ever born is right for an owner 'til it's been remodeled to the owner's satisfaction!


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Unsullied-Original-Bonair Owner Wannabees out there)......

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I towed my Oxygen Plus, loaded, with my Hyundai Phoenix V6 without any problems for over 2000 km last year, with a small hitch and electric brakes. There was mention of combined total weight of the camper plus the SUV either online or in the manual.

I was at least 500 lbs under that weight if I recall.
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