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Old 09-14-2016, 05:38 PM   #15
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The info I recieved and the photo from the website shows a 2" receiver.
Hummm. Here is where I got the info on the tow package being a Class I hitch
Ford.com Ford Transit Connect towing guide PDF

The above was all I could find on the their website for a towing guide for it ... but just noted it says 2015.... hummmm
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I have a 13ft Scamp... it weighs in at just under 2000 pounds loaded.
I tow it with our 2 door Jeep Wrangler which does fine with it. My wife needs a new car and we figure on buying a vehicle that can tow the Scamp as well.
We are looking at two brand new vehicles in particular and would like your input...
2016 Ford Transit Connect Wagon (not the full size van)
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2016 Ford Escape
The Transit connect can tow 2,000 with tow package.
The Escape can tow up to 3500 with tow package.
I have not read anywhere about actual towing experiences with the Transit Connect Wagon... Makes me wonder if nobody is actually using it for towing small campers?????
Can anyone give me any real life experiences towing with the Transit Connect Wagon and/or the Escape?
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I own a 2013 Ford Escape with a 2.0 liter EcoBoost engine (turbo charged engine). Brochure says you can tow a 3500 lb. trailer but in most states you must have electric brakes. The 2013 and 2016 both have a trailer towing package (Class II) which does not have the wires for electric brakes or the heavy ground and 12 volt wire to charge the trailer battery. Both my dealer and Ford Motor can not and will not add the wires required and told me that if I had these wires added that it would void my warranty. Without brakes the vehicle is limited to towing up to 1200 lbs.
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Old 09-14-2016, 06:07 PM   #17
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Better to buy a used model that's a bit out of warranty, then, and save thousands; then add wires and hitches to heart's content. Fooey on their silly warranty.

To me, the picture of the transit connect's rear end looks more like it has a 1.25" receiver than a 2". That would make sense given the tow limit.
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Both my dealer and Ford Motor can not and will not add the wires required and told me that if I had these wires added that it would void my warranty. Without brakes the vehicle is limited to towing up to 1200 lbs.
They lied to you!
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Old 09-14-2016, 07:17 PM   #19
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To me Ford Transit Connect is a joke. It is supposed to be a minivan in the Ford product line, but falls short against minivans from other manufacturers.
Even Ford says it is not supposed to be a minivan. There is nothing on the market that I think competes with it. We are looking at it as a "sedan delivery". It is sold as either a cargo van or a station wagon. I actually drove a short box van, a long box van and a wagon with third row seating.
I like the short box cargo van. You have never driven a Mini Van that handles like it.
Which one did you drive?
Biggest problem I see is that it only comes with the handicapped transmission (no manual) If it cost an "arm and a leg" I could understand... but it is under 25Gs with everything available that I want on it.
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There's also a www.fordescape.org/forum/ that may be of some help.

I'm looking @ the 2017 Escape 2.0 EcoBoost to tow a 13' Scamp.(w/brakes)
Now I'm learning here that I will need to take it to be wired...

I just assumed that if you have a tow "package" installed that it would be wired for lights and brakes
You know,like the whole pkg....

(Well the links not working but you can type it into your browser)
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We have a 2016 Escape and love it

We took our scamp 16 from Iowa to Glacier National Park in MT and back and never had a problem, we went up through the continental divide and were able to comfortably maintain 40 mph, we could've gone faster but the overheat protection kicked in and made us slow down. The Escape is a very capable hauler with the factory tow package and has a lot of protections built into the vehicle software; if you push it to hard or get into a dangerous engine situation it will let you know.

The only thing we notice is that a head wind does affect our mileage, without wind we see 18 mpg even in the mountains. With wind we've seen 14 mpg both at about 65mph.

I did ask the dealer at time of purchase if we could add a brake controller and and 12v feed without warranty issue, and he said absolutely, he did say if we cut the 4 wire harness it came with that they won't warranty any of the trailer wiring anymore, so we worked around that by getting a 7-blade plug that plugged into the 4 wire harness.
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I am 99% certain that the Transit Connect is built on the global Ford Focus platform. The Transit Connect is perfect for a florist, pizza delivery, or to carry some cleaners supplies in. I can't imagine towing much with a Ford Focus. Not what it was designed for. Good luck.
For what its worth I like the idea of something built on a frame, like most pickups are. Most passenger cars lack frames, and get their strength from thousands (?) of sheet metal welds.
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The current Focus platform is well regarded. It is common to build many different vehicles from the same platform with greatly different purposes and capabilities. My previous tug, a 2000 Toyota Sienna, was built on the same platform as a Camry. It was rated to tow up to 3500 pounds, even though the Camry maxed out at 1000 pounds. The Sienna made easy work of a Scamp 13.

It is not correct to say unibody vehicles lack frames. They have integrated frames of high strength steel, precision welded together with the body structure. A well-engineered unibody vehicle is stronger than a body-on-frame vehicle of similar size and weight. It is also stiffer, which gives it better handling characteristics.

My unibody Pilot survived a rear-end hit by a full-sized pick-up that totaled the truck. The main longitudinal frame rails, made of high-strength steel, absorbed the impact. One side was tweaked about a quarter inch, but engineered crumple zones confined the movement to the rearmost 4", so suspension alignment was unaffected. Here's a photo of the frame rails during the repair:
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Those same strong frame members are what pull my trailer.

Body-on-frame has survived in commercial and light truck applications for two reasons: load-carrying capacity (a different engineering challenge than towing) and interchangeability of components (swap a pickup bed for a utility or flatbed unit, change the rear end, ....).
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I just assumed that if you have a tow "package" installed that it would be wired for lights and brakes
You know,like the whole pkg....

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Actually it is very common for all smallish vehicle tow packages sold regardless of make/brand to only come with 4 pin wiring - which should give you the light connections you need, just not the brake wire or the charge line.

You can have the brake and charge line added along with the seven pin wiring harness added after the fact at any hitch shop. Cost differs from vehicle to vehicle to have those added but expect to pay about $250-300.

It is not common to see the full seven pin connection supplied with a factory tow package until you get up into a large tow vehicles - such as a truck.
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The escape is also built on the focus platform and it still hauls very well and is very stable.
I will say that I wouldn't tow our scamp without trailer brakes on the escape as the difference in weight is not very large for a loaded scamp 16 (~3500lbs vs ~2000-2500lbs), a scamp 13 is probably a lot different however.
Another plus for the escape is that with the factory tow package they add sway control software to the vehicle so that when it detects sway it will try to counter it automatically... Can't say i've noticed it, but it feels as stable as our 2001 mountaineer towing.
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I am 99% certain that the Transit Connect is built on the global Ford Focus platform. The Transit Connect is perfect for a florist, pizza delivery, or to carry some cleaners supplies in. I can't imagine towing much with a Ford Focus. Not what it was designed for. Good luck.
For what its worth I like the idea of something built on a frame, like most pickups are. Most passenger cars lack frames, and get their strength from thousands (?) of sheet metal welds.
It was designed to tow a 2000 pound trailer with 200 pounds of tongue weight.
If you want a frame, you would have to eliminate many full sized vehicles such as the full sized Transit van or many years of full sized GM vans and many others.
Of course you would have to eliminate nearly all crossovers and small SUVs.
The Transit Connect will prove to be a competent vehicle within its design capabilities and when compared to its peers such as small SUVs and crossovers.
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The escape is also built on the focus platform and it still hauls very well and is very stable.
I will say that I wouldn't tow our scamp without trailer brakes on the escape as the difference in weight is not very large for a loaded scamp 16 (~3500lbs vs ~2000-2500lbs), a scamp 13 is probably a lot different however.
Another plus for the escape is that with the factory tow package they add sway control software to the vehicle so that when it detects sway it will try to counter it automatically... Can't say i've noticed it, but it feels as stable as our 2001 mountaineer towing.
The same sway control software is included in the Connect tow package.
Still unless you just want the van (like me) the Escape could be a better choice for several subjective, non safety related reasons.(properly equipped of course )
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...as I appear to be. I don't want to encounter the same fate as him. I am just gonna mark all of you down as "undecided" and we'll call it a draw. ...At least one of you is still shooting arrows at me! Upon further review, I surrender! 👍
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