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Old 09-21-2016, 12:17 PM   #57
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Towing w/ Pathfinder

We also tow the Burro with a 3 liter Pathfinder when we get really off road (13 mpg). It's not as strong up hills especially at higher elevations as our old (now retired Passat 2 liter diesel wagon). The new BMW 2 liter turbo diesel AWD wagon is even stronger and can accelerate up a mountain pass like the trailer is not there, and still average 27 mpg. There is a reason why tractor trailers are all diesel. Torque not horsepower.
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:23 PM   #58
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One reason for lower tow ratings is the SAE rating methodology.
They have to prove the vehicle capable of climbing the Davis dam incline on a 100 degree day (or some high temp) with the ac on full and not overheat or have any warning.
My VW TDI tows well and it is the torque that counts.
So far no overheating problems even in 110* F Texas heat.

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Old 09-21-2016, 12:26 PM   #59
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Overkill is fine if all you use the vehicle for is towing. Not so great if it is also your daily commuter.
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:36 PM   #60
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Kip, when we tow with the Escape, mpg drops from like 25 to 15. When we used to tow the same egg with my '01 F150, I might lose one mpg.

I love that little woman story. You & I must be cousins, as I am up at 5 or earlier making coffee. It is very rare the little woman gets up before 7, camping or not! We do have a TV mounted in our egg (folded up out of the way), but have only used it once during a bad storm to see what was going on. The little woman does have a DVD player that we've yet to use. I'm a books, magazines and music kind of guy, and with all the bluetooth stuff now out, and decades of music on my cell, I am rarely not entertained.

Lynn, i wholeheartedly agree with everything you said!

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Old 09-21-2016, 12:38 PM   #61
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fuel mileage

Our 2016 BMW Diesel sportwagon gets about 47 mpg commuting
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:41 PM   #62
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Right on Frank

no need for a TV while camping
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:43 PM   #63
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What Kip said makes the most sense to me. Over-engineering for the job is always the safest. Fortunately, we had just bought a one-year-old 2013 Ford Expedition EL 4x4 in 2014 before we started looking at trailers this year; it is basically a Ford F-150 frame with an SUV body (someone will probably tell me I'm wrong, but that's what I've heard), and it came with the trailering package, including brake controller. This Expy is rated for up to 8,700 lbs, so even if our little Casita 17 pushes its own axle limit of 3,500 lbs, we should be in good shape.

Of course for most MFGs you might not have to go so hefty, but extra won't hurt, and gives you some margin to play with. And BTW, if you get a pickup truck, you can also look at 5th-wheel trailers, which are said to be much more stable than 'bumper-pulled' trailers. Of course then you sacrifice most of the space in the bed for carrying gear and goodies—but then you can tow a bigger trailer, too, maybe even one with outside storage.

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Good post! And bet that Expedition has no problem towing the Casita.
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:51 PM   #64
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Your Parkliner could easily push 3000 pounds when loaded (2300pounds empty). Also the Escape is rate limited with the tow package and the 2.0L Ecoboost engine to only 30 square ft of frontal area. The Parkliner is double that.
With those things known, it is obvious that conservative speed and acceleration habits would be needed to find it satisfactory for this application.
The Escape 2.0L would be hotrod with a Scamp13 behind it.
Check out the 2.7L F-150 you'll be amazed! Take your trailer with you for the test drive.
I've read and seen video on the F150 with 2.7 liter Turbo. Very impressive!
Great torque, acceleration, and fuel mileage with a light foot.
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Right on Frank

no need for a TV while camping
Heck Rob, no need for a TV most of the time, unless we're talking TV as in tow vehicle!

Ya gotta love diesels.

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Old 09-21-2016, 01:32 PM   #66
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Overkill is fine if all you use the vehicle for is towing. Not so great if it is also your daily commuter.
Frankly, after competing with the BMWs and Mercedes and SUVs on the Mass Pike in a little Toyota Corolla wagon some years ago, I'd never do it again without something big. Then, I like trucks, I like sitting up high. Now, I'm not commuting, but my Expy can tow my trailer with ease, haul eight people (we have lots of grandkids), and with the seats down, serve as a truck or moving van. I paid the dealer (we bought it used) to have a sun roof cut in, so I could pretend it was the Mustang convertible I wanted, but couldn't justify for reasons of practicality. As my old friend Sinc used to say, "Tweak his own."

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Very cool Lynn. Hey, I like trucks too, and am looking for a 4 door version before I retire in a couple years. In terms of a sunroof, I am working on rebuilding my old t bucket into a t tub - seating for 4, long as the two in the back are little! It will have a cloth roof, but be open at the window level. That has to get done before I retire while I still have $!

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Old 09-21-2016, 02:58 PM   #68
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I don't recall ever hearing someone with a few towing years and miles to their credit, saying they wanted to get rid of their tow vehicle, and downgrade in favor of something that is "adequate".
Without revealing the source, I did hear a person (a regular poster here) state that he traded his truck in for one with a smaller engine because the former had "too much power". [A concept foreign to me!]

In spite of that and choices being what they are... I am likely to to take a whopping downgrade in both tow rating and horsepower on my next tow vehicle for my Scamp13. Of course the bet is worth it that I will NOT being buying a bigger camper!
Looking at a gain of 5MPG while towing, the utility of the chosen vehicle, and the pleasure of daily use(both towing and not).
I just drove a new fullsized truck and figured for the money and drivability I might just as well opt for a motorhome.
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The Mpg question.
I tow about 10,000 miles a year, equivalent to a loop of the USA every year.

The difference in fuel cost between 20 mpg and 15 mpg is roughly $300 per year with regular gas. It takes us about 8 months to do a loop of the USA. The difference in cost per month is about $40.

Now one significant repair, probably even a minor repair can be more than $300.

Reliability is the most important tow vehicle characteristic. Like big, like power, buy it but be sure it's reliable, mpg is less important.

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Old 09-23-2016, 07:25 AM   #70
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Too much power vs not enough!

Recon I'm from the school of better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

I personally think that a vehicle tow rating should be based on it's ability to maintain Posted speed limits. Up steep inclines as well as on flat roads.

To many times I've seen situations where a towing vehicle was slowed to a glacier pace on steep hills, and some impatient driver just had to start passing, and narrowly escaping a wreck from an oncoming vehicle.

One time I was that vehicle in front, and several cars had stacked up behind me, before I could find a place to pull over, and let them pass. That wasn't a case of my downsizing the tug. It was the case of getting a bigger, heavier trailer without considering the tug.

There are compromises that we must make to be as safe as reasonably possible.
Surely a dually diesel would be over kill for an Egg, considering it is not necessary, because a gas powered V8 or good V6 would be plenty to avoid the scenarios above. And when a vehicle is a daily driver we want to be able to maneuver and park it in normal spaces as well as get reasonably decent fuel mileage.

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