Cars that perform well as TV's

[MC1]

It's great we have the technology to see what other countries are doing with TV's and towing.

Here is a link to car/towing testing. They really seem to cover all the bases with their test programs. Unlike here where many vehicles get little or no towing tests, just a rubber stamp.

2013 Tow Car Awards winners - YouTube

[Carol H]

Would be nice if we could keep the forum about the trailers and not keep going back to the old "but they tow with it in Europe" thing time and time again, as we already know the cars may have the same name they are not built the same!

[Francesca Knowles]

As Carol points out, "test results" for vehicles none of us have access to pulling trailers very different in design than any in NA are irrelevant to users of this site who're looking for practical information. This not to mention confusing to many who may be unfamiliar with this Age Old Discussion.

It is an interesting subject in a sit-around-and-jaw way...suggest it would be more appropriate to remove it from the "how-to" section of the Forums, posting it instead in "General Chat", perhaps with a new title more descriptive of its nature.

Something like "Cars and Trailers I wish we could buy in North America but can't".

[Glenn Baglo]

Originally Posted by MC1

They really seem to cover all the bases with their test programs. Unlike here where many vehicles get little or no towing tests, just a rubber stamp.

You are implying that this test program is some sort of government or official program, when it is just a trailer magazine that conducted the test.

Perhaps you can persuade Car and Driver to do something similar on this side of the pond.

[steve dunham]

Originally Posted by MC1

It's great we have the technology to see what other countries are doing with TV's and towing.

Here is a link to car/towing testing. They really seem to cover all the bases with their test programs. Unlike here where many vehicles get little or no towing tests, just a rubber stamp.

Since the majority of Americans and I suspect Canadians do not tow with their vehicle ,I can see why the US auto manufacturers do not design , offer or test most of their vehicles for towing . Towing is a niche market and luxury , styling ,dependability and gas mileage are of greater importance to the general public. I am not sure if the tow ratings of US vehicles matched their European counterparts , I would choose to tow with what I consider an undersized and under powered vehicle just cause I could

[Mike Magee]

Tough crowd!

[Carol H]

Well we in North America do have the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) SAE J2807 The SAE standard, “Performance Requirements for Determining Tow-Vehicle Gross Combination Weight Rating and Trailer Weight Rating,” which most if not all the auto makers agreed to using - that was until a couple of the big guys pulled out of the deal in the final hours! :-( But not before most of them had actually started to use the test in prep and some of those resulted in the down grading of towing capacity on a number of different makes and styles of vehicles 2 years back. You can be sure that most of them are still using the test even if they aren't bragging about it. But some of the auto manufactures are making it public that they are using the test to set their ratings and are using it in their promotional materials for the vehicle - in fact a press release from Toyota last fall reads in part "Toyota has been compliant with J2807 since 2011"

[Carol H]

Forgot to mention that GM announced that it will be J2807 compliant on its 2015 model year trucks as well.

[MC1]

It was a bit of a surprise to see the Jag and BMW were out gunned in this test. To bad there wasn't a bit more info and details on the vehicles and their drive trains.

[Carol H]

Originally Posted by MC1

It was a bit of a surprise to see the Jag and BMW were out gunned in this test. To bad there wasn't a bit more info and details on the vehicles and their drive trains.

To bad we don't all live in Europe were this would actually be relevant.

[Donna D.]

My insurance company would either hate me or drop me....

[MC1]

Originally Posted by Mike Magee

Tough crowd!

Not really Mike. It's just that I have a way with the ladies:

[Carol H]

Originally Posted by MC1

Not really Mike. It's just that I have a way with the ladies:

Apparently men a well

[Francesca Knowles]

I'm following an equally relevant and no less controversial discussion right now at my favorite "RVing in The People's Republic of China" website, "21Rv.com".

Threadtitle is "Fancy a Favorite Car!" and it's a cliffhanger...here quoting from the opening post just to give y'all a sense of the excitement:

Idle all right last night on the Internet, accidentally saw a car forum, all night, completely on top of it! Results of the study was to compare the Italian "Italian" self-propelled double extended C-type car, ready to buy, give retired Father! But the more entangled Parking Car Wash late repair and maintenance is also very troublesome, how do how to do? I have no Xi'an 4S shop ah? !

It goes on for four pages, and here's a sample of the heated exchange that begins on the very first page:

Then please start ah, what are considered good timing on before.

Quickly rejoindered by:

With in Xi'an, China and Italy with fancy double extensions, and really want to rent to rent, the landlord group to try chanting?

It just gets better from there...here's the link for anyone that cares to follow/ join in/listen and learn.

P.S.

I'm NOT revealing what my screen name is on that site!

[MC1]

In the end it looks like "Lotus" came out on top!

Let Lotus F1 Demonstrate The Proper Way To Tow A Caravan

[Ice-breaker]

Originally Posted by MC1

In the end it looks like "Lotus" came out on top!

Let Lotus F1 Demonstrate The Proper Way To Tow A Caravan

Looks like the suspension may be a bit worn in that Airstream.

[MC1]

Originally Posted by Ice-breaker

Looks like the suspension may be a bit worn in that Airstream.

No! They couldn't find a ball mount high enough for the Lotus chassis so they installed a lowering kit on the Bullet.