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Old 02-14-2011, 08:58 AM   #15
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I do agree it’s a package, car setup and driver.
Vehicle with tow package or as is.
We have a customized car from dealer with full tow package ordered at time of new car purchase.
-progressive transaxle cooler "recommended"
-hitch
-Proportional braking system and 7 pin wiring harness from dealer "required was told for our trailer."

Now for car upgrades :
-B&M 10226 Stage 1 RV heavy duty Shift improver Kit
Just a little extra
-Custom made Class III receiver with weight distribution hitch
From Can-Am RV center in London look under our car and it is a work of art and is required to meet our needs.

The boler puts the tongue weight requirement at 202 lbs. and class II hitch on the inside of the closet door with water and propane tanks full.
Add cargo clothes food etc. and 250 lbs. to 300 lbs. is better.
That is why the hitch upgrade to class III
boler also recommends on page 7 of manual Load Equalizing hitch. “FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY AND COMFORT" they say. “Agree with boler”

Trailer upgrades include breakaway switch, Monroe RV retro fit shock kit and st205r14 ‘C’ rated tires to add max load possible in trailer.
Original B rated tires on trailer did 1500 lbs. C rated have load limit of 1850 lbs. 1850X2=3700 lbs. and axle is 3500 lbs. so now limit is 3500 lbs.

Breakaway Switch is law and shocks just for better ride on northern wash board.

Towing is about: hp / gearing, suspension / hitch style, cooling systems, and braking

Our 17' needed tow package and a hitch upgrade to get the tongue weight required to work; but as said love the mileage plus the boler pulls so easy
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:57 AM   #16
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... the fact seems to be that the Tow rating spec'ed by the manufacturer is being exceed or close to being approached .

Is this incorrect?
Just a little bit incorrect. I am going by the -manufacturer's- tow rating... Not the -US importer's- tow rating. Volkswagen rates the 2.0 liter diesel Golf to tow 3,300 pounds. Same engine, trans, and everything else as the Golf sold here. Needs a Euro hitch to be able to tow that much, but you can get those here. VW of America decides how to rate the cars here. Toyota rates my car to tow nearly 1,700 pounds. Built on the same assembly line on Japan. Toyota Motor Sales in the US decided not to rate ANY Toyota car for towing. In fact, they say not to even put a bike rack on the back. Odd, how it goes from 1,700 pounds to "can't haul a bicycle."
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:32 AM   #17
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mcbrew: Corolla is rated in Canada did not know it was not rated in the US?
Also did not know that Scion xD is only new to Canada and no info or any ratings at Toyota.ca site under Scoin any model just found basic saftey and engine size. It makes no sense to say not to tow in one country but ok in another?
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:45 AM   #18
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mcbrew: Corolla is rated in Canada did not know it was not rated in the US?
Also did not know that Scion xD is only new to Canada and no info or any ratings at Toyota.ca site under Scoin any model. It makes no sense to say not to tow in one country but ok in another?
Two reasons I can think of: 1) Trucks are MUCH more profitable and are an easy sell in the US. 2) liability lawsuits. The US is a lawsuit-happy country with almost no repercussions for frivolous lawsuits.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:49 AM   #19
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With gas at $1.20 liter at one point this week or $4.80 Galon people will start to purchase with gas in mind as we did.
In Canada
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P.S. mcbrew nice looking ride!
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:35 PM   #21
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Just a little bit incorrect. I am going by the -manufacturer's- tow rating... Not the -US importer's- tow rating. Volkswagen rates the 2.0 liter diesel Golf to tow 3,300 pounds. Same engine, trans, and everything else as the Golf sold here. Needs a Euro hitch to be able to tow that much, but you can get those here. VW of America decides how to rate the cars here. Toyota rates my car to tow nearly 1,700 pounds. Built on the same assembly line on Japan. Toyota Motor Sales in the US decided not to rate ANY Toyota car for towing. In fact, they say not to even put a bike rack on the back. Odd, how it goes from 1,700 pounds to "can't haul a bicycle."
Sorry for any confusion,I was really responding to the O.P. with that one.

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Old 04-28-2011, 05:08 PM   #22
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Recent Experience.

We've now towed our 1991 Scamp 16 about 1500 miles.

Just about everywhere we stop some one wants a tour. No one believes it is 20 years old. It's amazing how well it's stood up.

Last night at lovely and expensive Virginia's Kiptopeke State Park at the tip of the DelMar Penisula, a fellow camper asked if we had a V6 or V8 in our Honda CRV tow vehicle.

I have been amazed how well the Scamp towed today, a particularly windy day. Only once did I notice the effect of a strong side wind, nothing significant in motion but I did feel it.

After some 1500 miles our mileage per tankful hovers arounf 23 mpg, almost identical to towing this winter's Casita 16.

We both love the side bath and front couch. We've decided to add a rear couch as well in the form of a U shaped dinette.
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:38 PM   #23
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There is a big difference between what you can do and what you should do. I think that is the issue here.
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There is a big difference between what you can do and what you should do. I think that is the issue here.
Norm may be taking a risk in terms of his own liability, but that's his call. As for tangible risk to others, I'm not so sure.

Let me compare a couple of vehicles to his:
vehicle curb weight wheelbase tow rating
2004 CRV 3200 lb. 103" 1500 lb.
2007 Highlander 3500 lb. 107" 3500 lb.
2008 Highlander 4000 lb. 110" 5000 lb. (my tug)
'10 Santa Fe 4cyl 3700 lb. 106" 2000 lb.
'10 Santa Fe 6cyl 3700 lb. 106" 3500 lb.
'09 Subaru Outback 3200 lb. 103" 2700 lb.

There seems to be only a tenuous correlation between rated tow capacity and the curb weight or wheelbase. The latter tend to be considered as valuable markers in a vehicle's actual capabilities for safe towing. Does a 4" WB increase and a 300 lb. weight increase justify more than doubling tow capacity (from CRV to '07 Highlander)? Does adding a 6 cylinder engine to the Hyundai Santa Fe make a safety difference versus the 4 cylinder, or is the vehicle basically safe to tow 3500 lbs with the 4-banger (but the mfr worries about drivetrain failure)? And look at that Subaru, considered by most to be a very capable tug... practically the same weight and wheelbase as the CRV, and both have 4 cylinder engines too.... yet the former has almost double the tow rating. Safety concerns? Or drivetrain longevity concerns?

I'm not in a position to get info on brake sizing, but with trailer brakes added I suspect that any of these vehicles should be able to stop within a few feet of each other. There are other factors, like rear overhang, tires, suspension. I don't have all the answers. But the CRV with trailer doesn't look like a mayhem machine to me.
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Norm may be taking a risk in terms of his own liability, but that's his call. As for tangible risk to others, I'm not so sure.

Let me compare a couple of vehicles to his:
vehicle curb weight wheelbase tow rating
2004 CRV 3200 lb. 103" 1500 lb.
2007 Highlander 3500 lb. 107" 3500 lb.
2008 Highlander 4000 lb. 110" 5000 lb. (my tug)
'10 Santa Fe 4cyl 3700 lb. 106" 2000 lb.
'10 Santa Fe 6cyl 3700 lb. 106" 3500 lb.
'09 Subaru Outback 3200 lb. 103" 2700 lb.

There seems to be only a tenuous correlation between rated tow capacity and the curb weight or wheelbase. The latter tend to be considered as valuable markers in a vehicle's actual capabilities for safe towing. Does a 4" WB increase and a 300 lb. weight increase justify more than doubling tow capacity (from CRV to '07 Highlander)? Does adding a 6 cylinder engine to the Hyundai Santa Fe make a safety difference versus the 4 cylinder, or is the vehicle basically safe to tow 3500 lbs with the 4-banger (but the mfr worries about drivetrain failure)? And look at that Subaru, considered by most to be a very capable tug... practically the same weight and wheelbase as the CRV, and both have 4 cylinder engines too.... yet the former has almost double the tow rating. Safety concerns? Or drivetrain longevity concerns?

I'm not in a position to get info on brake sizing, but with trailer brakes added I suspect that any of these vehicles should be able to stop within a few feet of each other. There are other factors, like rear overhang, tires, suspension. I don't have all the answers. But the CRV with trailer doesn't look like a mayhem machine to me.
Your's is the voice of informed common sense. It is refreshing in a world dominated by blind hyperbole!
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Honda CRV Mileage Update.
For the last 500 miles we've been averaging almost 25 mpg (24.8).

The only thing I can attribute it to is that we were driving a little slower (52-55 mph) because of yesterday's weather and Northeast traffic though we just completed a stint on the NJ Turnpike, the Garden State and CT's I 84.
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Norm may be taking a risk in terms of his own liability, but that's his call. As for tangible risk to others, I'm not so sure.

Let me compare a couple of vehicles to his:
vehicle curb weight wheelbase tow rating
2004 CRV 3200 lb. 103" 1500 lb.
2007 Highlander 3500 lb. 107" 3500 lb.
2008 Highlander 4000 lb. 110" 5000 lb. (my tug)
'10 Santa Fe 4cyl 3700 lb. 106" 2000 lb.
'10 Santa Fe 6cyl 3700 lb. 106" 3500 lb.
'09 Subaru Outback 3200 lb. 103" 2700 lb.

There seems to be only a tenuous correlation between rated tow capacity and the curb weight or wheelbase. The latter tend to be considered as valuable markers in a vehicle's actual capabilities for safe towing. Does a 4" WB increase and a 300 lb. weight increase justify more than doubling tow capacity (from CRV to '07 Highlander)? Does adding a 6 cylinder engine to the Hyundai Santa Fe make a safety difference versus the 4 cylinder, or is the vehicle basically safe to tow 3500 lbs with the 4-banger (but the mfr worries about drivetrain failure)? And look at that Subaru, considered by most to be a very capable tug... practically the same weight and wheelbase as the CRV, and both have 4 cylinder engines too.... yet the former has almost double the tow rating. Safety concerns? Or drivetrain longevity concerns?

I'm not in a position to get info on brake sizing, but with trailer brakes added I suspect that any of these vehicles should be able to stop within a few feet of each other. There are other factors, like rear overhang, tires, suspension. I don't have all the answers. But the CRV with trailer doesn't look like a mayhem machine to me.
Mike,

Interesting train of thought.

As to brakes the Honda CRV has 12 inch disk brkes front and rear. The fronts are ventilated rotors.

For comparison, the heavier Ford F150 seems to have 13 inch disks.

Of course the Tow Vehicles brakes should never be the singular solution to stopping.

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Fascinating discussion. I'm looking for a little trailer, and am driving a Honda CR-V (love it!). I've found a couple of Scamp 13s, advertised weight around 1000 lbs empty weight (my limit is 1500 lbs total). I've been told these are too heavy -- there isn't enough "head room" between the empty weight and the allowable weight. Norm, from reading your posts it sounds like you haven't problems (i.e., damage/strain to your vehicle) towing a 16 footer??

Was also reading in several other threads -- 13 foot trailers of various kinds weighing in under 1500 loaded, which seems to be contrary to concerns of the sellers I've been chatting with.

I'm so confused! I'm open to ideas, information, trailer recommendations...
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