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Old 08-28-2013, 02:18 PM   #1
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Changing from a fifth wheel

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Im looking at a Scamp 5wheel, My truck wont take a 5wheel. But I have seen some 5wheel change to a normal ball frame hitch.

My question to one and all is should this be done and if yes how?
And how safe would that be?

So the light weight of the scamp and the good price is what makes this a good deal. My tv is 01 ford explorer sport trac.

What do you all say? I did look for a email for scamp but can't locate one

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Old 08-28-2013, 04:04 PM   #2
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I wonder if the sliding 5th hitch would work with scamp ball conversion. To give your short bed enough clearance. There is a very active scamp yahoo group if you don't get your answer here.
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Old 08-28-2013, 05:10 PM   #3
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My guess the tongue weight would be 500 lbs. +
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Old 08-28-2013, 05:29 PM   #4
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Ok, first off...the scamp isn't a fifth wheel, or a gooseneck. I wish they would stop advertising it as such.

So...is your problem that there isn't a fifth wheel hitch made for your vehicle, or that there is no way you can have a hitch mounted in your bed? Even with plastic beds, you can usually mount one, but I haven't looked under a sport-trac.

Without seeing an owner's manual, my feeling is you would be pushing your luck, especially with tongue weight, and would have to have a wd hitch at the least.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:21 PM   #5
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There's no need to convert a Scamp 19' to avoid a fifth-wheel, since it isn't one. It has a common coupler to go on a 2" ball mounted in the truck box.

If the truck won't take a fifth-wheel hitch mounted in the box, it won't take a ball hitch mounted in the box, either. Lenny, why do you think the Sport Trac won't take a fifth-wheel? We have at least one member towing a Scamp 19' with a Sport Trac, and that one even converted to a fifth-wheel... although the one I recall is the second-generation Sport Trac.

If you're talking about converting a perfectly good Scamp 19' into a bizarre conventional trailer and hitching it behind the truck... others have done this. Personally, I see no point - why not buy a more suitable trailer? This has been discussed extensively in this forum, and I don't have any more to add.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:36 PM   #6
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5th wheel

Thanks to all of your replies. Very useful for sure.
I hope the person with the ford ex sport trac who did this change will reply to this thread.

thanks to all hoping more will reply
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:52 PM   #7
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I've looked at the Sport Trac, and thought it would be a nice TV for our 5er.

To get the trailer onto the truck we'd have to add a frame spacer (3" box beams) between the frame and trailer axle mount and build a slightly modified gooseneck hitch mount that locates the ball a few inches aft of the axle to give us more room between the trailer and back window of the truck. You want to be able to jack-kife teh trailer to 90 degrees without hitting your back window with the trailer loft.
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Sport Trac towing Scamp 19':
New Scamp 5th Wheel owner needs help

There's at least one more, but I didn't find it in a quick search.
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Brian, my reason for doing so is that i have a cap on my truck which i don't want to remove, yet i like the scamp 5er. It is a bizarre looking conversion but who cares if it works.

The point of a 5er is to deal with heavy tongue weights for huge tts. But the scamp 5er isn't huge and its tongue weight isn't all that huge either.
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Brian, my reason for doing so is that i have a cap on my truck which i don't want to remove, yet i like the scamp 5er. It is a bizarre looking conversion but who cares if it works.

The point of a 5er is to deal with heavy tongue weights for huge tts. But the scamp 5er isn't huge and its tongue weight isn't all that huge either.
For a sport-trac, it is as a bumper pull.
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Old 08-29-2013, 08:19 AM   #11
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Ball hitches and single axles aside, lets all agree that any trailer that connects to a hitch in the middle of the truck bed is a "5th Wheel" and let it go at that. Otherwise we will have to tell all those truckers that they are actually pulling a 9th wheel trailer etc..... For those that still insist, please be sure you are not "$$$ing" into the wind.

I have seen at least one "conversion" of a Scamp 5th to a ball hitch and three issues are immediate:

1. Tongue weight: Somehow I don't think that something like 500+ lbs on a receiver hitch is all that swooft.
2. Attaching to the Scamp: The one I saw looked like it was putting a lot of stress on the lower frame sections that weren't designed for that load.
3. Design & Liability: I can't imaging what the Ins company might say if there was an accident while towing with that Disneyesque arrangement.
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I've looked at the Sport Trac, and thought it would be a nice TV for our 5er.

To get the trailer onto the truck we'd have to add a frame spacer (3" box beams) between the frame and trailer axle mount and build a slightly modified gooseneck hitch mount that locates the ball a few inches aft of the axle to give us more room between the trailer and back window of the truck. You want to be able to jack-kife teh trailer to 90 degrees without hitting your back window with the trailer loft.
Are you saying this is what you did for Sport trac?
Could you send me pictures?
Is there any company making a 5thw hock up for a ST?

MY ST is 01V6

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I've looked at the Sport Trac, and thought it would be a nice TV for our 5er.

To get the trailer onto the truck we'd have to add a frame spacer (3" box beams) between the frame and trailer axle mount and build a slightly modified gooseneck hitch mount that locates the ball a few inches aft of the axle to give us more room between the trailer and back window of the truck. You want to be able to jack-kife teh trailer to 90 degrees without hitting your back window with the trailer loft.


Are you saying this is what you did for Sport trac?
Could you send me pictures?
Is there any company making a 5thw hock up for a ST?

MY ST is 01V6

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Old 08-29-2013, 02:20 PM   #14
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Ball hitches and single axles aside, lets all agree that any trailer that connects to a hitch in the middle of the truck bed is a "5th Wheel" and let it go at that. Otherwise we will have to tell all those truckers that they are actually pulling a 9th wheel trailer etc..... For those that still insist, please be sure you are not "$$$ing" into the wind.

I have seen at least one "conversion" of a Scamp 5th to a ball hitch and three issues are immediate:

1. Tongue weight: Somehow I don't think that something like 500+ lbs on a receiver hitch is all that swooft.
2. Attaching to the Scamp: The one I saw looked like it was putting a lot of stress on the lower frame sections that weren't designed for that load.
3. Design & Liability: I can't imaging what the Ins company might say if there was an accident while towing with that Disneyesque arrangement.
I would rather not, it causes confusion calling them fifth wheels. Fifth wheels have a kingpin that mounts above the bed floor, goosenecks have a 2-5/16" or 3" ball close to the bed floor.

I towed mine home as a bumper pull with a hitch the PO made.





It worked, but only because I have a 1/2 ton, and it pulls MUCH better as a fifth wheel.
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