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Old 01-23-2016, 07:11 AM   #29
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Gordon, while you and I may be on the same page, I think you will agree Jon may take or reject any advice as he sees fit with no need to explain. That's the beauty of a forum. You can ask questions and then do what you want. Raz
Raz and Gordon, I have enough respect for your wisdom to go back and re-read all that you said. Unless I missed something, your advice was:
  1. Get medical treatment because problems can surface later and continue for years. That advice I am taking. I waived transport at the scene because that would take me into the Indian Health Service system. Nothing wrong with the doctors (in fact I found out later that a good friend was the ER doc on duty that evening). But I got burned years ago by the slow bureaucratic working of their billing practices. Never again unless it is a life or death emergency. I will be seeing my own doctor on Monday. I spoke with my friend the ER doc, and that was his advice.
  2. Insist that the vehicle be totaled out and replaced. I am willing to do that, but only if it is really necessary. I do not have the resources to replace it with a brand new vehicle, so I would be replacing it with one of similar age and miles. Frankly, I'd prefer to keep a vehicle whose history I know than one I don't. And in any case, it took me 3-4 months to find this one. It was exactly what I wanted, and I'd really like to keep it. Based on my careful inspection of the damage, I am fairly hopeful that full function can be restored without any cutting, bending, or welding of the vehicle's structure. The shop is a competent one and will measure the frame carefully. I should find out more by Tuesday or Wednesday.
  3. Get a lawyer and sue. That may be where we part ways. Lawyers have their place in cases where there is gross, willful, reckless endangerment and/or serious, life-altering injury or death. This situation does not rise to either standard, and a lawsuit would damage my reputation in this small community. The driver of the vehicle is a grandmother of integrity and standing, and many of her family are acquaintances.

I really posted because I wanted advice about repairing the hitch receiver. I had thought it was welded in place, but I found out now that it is a bolt-on unit. With the spare tire and part of the exhaust system knocked out of the way, I was able to see the whole thing more clearly. It is definitely damaged, and I will certainly take Mike's advice and make sure the whole thing is replaced with an OEM unit.

Again, I do appreciate all your input. Even the parts I choose to ignore.
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Old 01-23-2016, 07:45 AM   #30
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Again, I do appreciate all your input. Even the parts I choose to ignore.
What a pleasant and evolved response you posted!

BTW, just to set the record straight, it was never my intention to tell you what you should do, but only to relate some of my experience that might (or might not) be applicable to your situation. In fact, I specially said, "I'm not saying that you or anyone else should be so obstinate in a case like this..."

As for my injury, I think that seeing a doctor after the wreck made no difference. The damage was done.

I could continue to make an argument against keeping a car that was in a collision, but if you really like it and plan to keep it "forever" then that's a fine option also. It just not what I would do.
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Old 01-23-2016, 08:54 AM   #31
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Glad to hear that you are okay! That's not a great way to spend and evening. Hoping that you are able to get the repairs made to your satisfaction and that it's an easy process!
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Old 01-24-2016, 02:10 AM   #32
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You might want to see a chiropractor too. I have been rear- ended twice and got bad whiplash both times. It often doesn't show up till later and gets worse over time. A medical doc prescribed muscle relaxers, tranquilizers and possible surgery later. The chiropractor fixed it. If I had left it, I would have probably ended up with vertebral spurs and bulging disks later.
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Old 01-24-2016, 09:10 AM   #33
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I also was rear ended I was driving a ford 250 ( no damage) the guy that hit me was driving a brand new lexus ( totaled) ... He originally claimed full responsibility until he saw that my vehicle was owned by the power company ( he immediately saw deep pockets & changed his story) i had to block him in from trying to leave yo make out accident report
Bottomline is that the whiplash i began to experience started about 10 days after i was hit.... Most definitely
See a doctor and document everything
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The best of driver's make mistakes, many times not even knowing that someone else avoided a collision by compensating for them...
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Ouch! Sorry to hear Jon. Hopefully you are OK thats the important stuff - vehicles can be replaced &/or fixed.
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Ouch! Sorry to hear Jon. Hopefully you are OK thats the important stuff - vehicles can be replaced &/or fixed.
Thank you, Carol. Still waiting for repairs to be completed, and still intermittent minor pain, but the doctor says it's normal and will pass, no major damage. It's got me exercising regularly again, and that's good. As I said at the beginning, much to be thankful for.

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The best of driver's make mistakes, many times not even knowing that someone else avoided a collision by compensating for them...
Floyd, you are so right!
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Jon, so sorry to see the damage, but glad to hear YOU are OK, and that there were no children in the car with you this time.
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Jon, so sorry to see the damage, but glad to hear YOU are OK, and that there were no children in the car with you this time.
There was another side story I didn't share earlier. Saturday after the accident my wife was headed to a meeting three hours away on the Navajo Nation (including some narrow, shoulderless, potholed secondary roads). I tagged along to pick up a rental on the way out of town. At the last moment we decided to have her drive the rental and I took her car. I discovered her front tire had a screw in it and was dangerously low on air (no TPS). Except for the accident, she would have been driving on that tire.
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I know you don't want to hear this, but I would never tow in that vehicle again. Given that the receiver is welded to the frame, and it is obviously bent, I would be very surprised if your Pilot is not a write off.
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I wouldn't trust it for towing after that kind of damage either.
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Why not, Greg? I am towing at about half its rated capacity, and the repair is guaranteed for the life of the vehicle to perform to original specs.

And what choice do I really have? My wife's CRV is our older vehicle, and next on the list for replacement. I could only replace this one with whatever I could sell it for, at 78K miles and an accident on the Carfax.

I am going to look at the repair-in-progress today before they put it back together.
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Well Jon, I realize that there are certain constraints in your decision, and if you feel comfortable with using it, then I guess that would be your decision to make. I would at least actually crawl underneath, or better yet, put it up on a lift, (I'm getting older and I no longer enjoy crawling under stuff if I can find a way to stand up under it,) and satisfy myself with a very close scrutiny examination of everything, including, but not limited to, the hitch, the frame, the suspension, and the drive train, etc. If something doesn't strike you as looking right, then maybe it isn't a good thing. If you're content with it, then only you can decide on a GO/NO-GO answer. Since I don't own one, I am not sure what your Pilot's normal tow rating is, but if you're only basing future use on only half of your normal tow capacity, does that leave you enough "wiggle room," and does it allow for a little extra safety margin, or will you just be marginally scraping by within your self-imposed 50% margin?
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Once it's done, most of the work will be hidden by the bumper fascia, exhaust shields, etc. That's why I decided to have a look now. I was debating whether to have a Honda dealer (3 hours away) or my trusted local mechanic inspect the work afterward. Dealers have more specific knowledge of the vehicle, but I'm not always sure about what actually happens in the service bay.

The factory integrated hitch and frame attachment is rated to 4500/450 pounds. In our FWD trim it is downrated to 3500/350 pounds. My Scamp 13 weighs about 1750 pounds fully loaded.
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