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Old 05-07-2009, 10:51 PM   #29
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go for the little Joe! i have a lite house ( almost the same as little Joe) and they rock! super big on size for how small they are. I'm 6' tall and don't even come close to hitting my head inside. and the bed is HUGE. its actually bigger than a queen. good luck on your search.
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Old 05-07-2009, 11:12 PM   #30
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But is it appropriate to advise her to "go for the Little Joe" when her car can only tow 1000 pounds maximum? How much does a loaded Little Joe weigh? An empty Little Joe?

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Old 05-08-2009, 07:43 AM   #31
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This could be an option.

They take a honda element and make it like an old westfalia.

and I think they can tow a 13' egg.

http://www.ursaminorvehicles.com/camper.htm
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Old 05-08-2009, 07:52 AM   #32
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But is it appropriate to advise her to "go for the Little Joe" when her car can only tow 1000 pounds maximum? How much does a loaded Little Joe weigh? An empty Little Joe?

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I've got an email in to Little Joe mfr. I think it comes close in weight, I asked if I could do some customization (removing things) to get it as light as possible. If I don't get an email today, I will call.

I may have to go with the pop-up tent trailer if all else fails. Not my first choice, but I cannot start to think about replacing my car now with everything else going on. I'm juggling quite a bit of major concerns right now. I'm trying to simplify, not add to the mix.
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:22 AM   #33
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Maddy, another trailer you might want to check into is the POD by Pelsue Manufacturing out of Colorado. They build fiberglass trailers for utility companies... like AT&T. They maybe able to make you exactly what you want and need and at a decent weight. POD by Pelsue.

We had a discussion in General Chat going about the Lil Joe and POD. The manufacturer of the POD stopped by in the discussion too: Mystery Fiberglass Trailer.

Hope you find something to suit your needs. Please keep us up to date on the doings
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Old 05-08-2009, 09:46 AM   #34
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Maddy, The little Joe is pretty striped down to start with. Not to say they aren't workable for you, cause I don't know what they weight, but there wouldn't be a lot of options to take out. They are a perfect trailer for people who are looking for a alternative to other lite trailers and those who are taller who need a lite weight trailer. As Curtis said, they have a lot of room for their size. And the height is as he said! I walked right in with no dunking down. But I still have to question, is it too much for your car? Were you able to find out, if the tow capability is lessened with the amount of weight in your car? Meaning if you have 200 pounds of weight in your car that it would lessen the amount of weight your car can pull? I also wonder what will happen to your poor car, when on one of the many 6% grades you will have to cross coming out west you car will struggle to pull up the incline and who knows what it will be like on the down side.

I have to agree with Raya, I don't think we should encourage any trailer. It reminds me of a story here in Colorado, where a rv dealer assured a buyer that their SUV would pull this trailer they wanted to buy. Well first trip out, the oversized trailer took control during a downhill decent and there was a horrible wreck, their child was killed and the parents were seriously injured . In my opinion the fun of rv-ing no matter what size rv you are pulling, driving, etc is not worth anyone and I mean anyone getting hurt.
Also you asked the VW dealership this same question and said their answer wasn't positive. Please think long and hard about putting your self and others in danger. I am sorry I am one of the negative Nellie's of the bunch, cause like I said in a previous post, we love new Egg friends but I honestly would rather you were safe than an egg owner. Robin
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Old 05-08-2009, 12:10 PM   #35
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Maddy, The little Joe is pretty striped down to start with. Not to say they aren't workable for you, cause I don't know what they weight, but there wouldn't be a lot of options to take out. They are a perfect trailer for people who are looking for a alternative to other lite trailers and those who are taller who need a lite weight trailer. As Curtis said, they have a lot of room for their size. And the height is as he said! I walked right in with no dunking down. But I still have to question, is it too much for your car? Were you able to find out, if the tow capability is lessened with the amount of weight in your car? Meaning if you have 200 pounds of weight in your car that it would lessen the amount of weight your car can pull? I also wonder what will happen to your poor car, when on one of the many 6% grades you will have to cross coming out west you car will struggle to pull up the incline and who knows what it will be like on the down side.

I have to agree with Raya, I don't think we should encourage any trailer. It reminds me of a story here in Colorado, where a rv dealer assured a buyer that their SUV would pull this trailer they wanted to buy. Well first trip out, the oversized trailer took control during a downhill decent and there was a horrible wreck, their child was killed and the parents were seriously injured . In my opinion the fun of rv-ing no matter what size rv you are pulling, driving, etc is not worth anyone and I mean anyone getting hurt.
Also you asked the VW dealership this same question and said their answer wasn't positive. Please think long and hard about putting your self and others in danger. I am sorry I am one of the negative Nellie's of the bunch, cause like I said in a previous post, we love new Egg friends but I honestly would rather you were safe than an egg owner. Robin
I now have lots of information as to weight limitations and other variables. I am tryiing to find a viable solution, not push the envelope. I have no intention of overloading either a trailer or car. I understand the cumulative effect of weight in both vehicles.
Regarding the email to Little Joe mfr, they may have an alternative to their standard product - may be something made for another situation that might work. It never hurts to ask. If it doesn't work out, then so be it. I have always found it is better to do as much research as possible instead of just accepting defeat immediately. There are always surprises. I have many instances in my life (business and personal) that changed, for the better, because I didn't accept "can't be done" for an answer. Like I said, that may end up being the case, but why not find out for sure.
I can't get another car, I am juggling so many things right now, that would be the breaking point. I don't need even one more change right now. Not an option.
The problem with getting any info from VW is that my dealer always has a problem with anything that does not originate with VW or makes money for them. I don't have the utmost faith in anything the dealership tells me. They get upset when I have my intermediate tune-ups (oil/filter change, water separator drained etc) done by a diesel mechanic that is not VW. This is not rocket science.
I will figure out what is best, even if that means a tent trailer or a small motorhome to drag the VW behind. So, no more horror stories, please. I am not an irresponsible person. I am just gathering info and will sort it all out.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:04 PM   #36
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yea, don't tow out of your load capacity. i just like them. i tow way under towing. my litehouse is 900 empty and i tow with a Tacoma and hitch rated at 6000 lbs. what about one of these. http://www.autohomeus.com/rooftop/ma...aGrandTour.php this was another route i was looking at. they make a thick walled version that is very warm.
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Old 05-08-2009, 02:51 PM   #37
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Maddy, If any one understands not accepting the "can't be done" canned answer it's me! But again, I just don't want any suggestion given here by all of us well meaning egg enthusiast to get you or anyone else hurt. So thats why I have to stand up and be the negative Nellie or at the very least, Get the all the facts Nellie. I truly hope you find a great alternative for your situation. Safe Journey! Robin
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Old 05-08-2009, 02:58 PM   #38
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New Golf 2.0 TDI, 5 speed manual, 110HP towing data from Poland:

Maximum trailer weight with brakes at 12% / 8% hill is 1500 / 1700 kg (3300 / 3740 lb)

Maximum trailer weight w/o brakes is 660 kg (1452 lb)

Maximum hitch weight 75 kg (165 lb)

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UK data shows 1299 kg (2858 lb) with manual transmission.

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If the maximum hitch weight is 165 lb (10%) the trailer shouldn’t be more then 1650 lb in accordance to appropriate trailer weight distribution. It seems we either have more lawyers then EU or simply are more cautious.

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Old 05-08-2009, 03:15 PM   #39
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George,

I don't know if this is the sole reason, but I have read that European trailers are typically set up a bit differently in terms of tongue weight in relationship to camper (axle), and that this is part of the reason for the typical difference in towing capacities between European and American versions of the "same" car.

Another difference could be that axle ratios are different, or that differences in emissions equipment or tuning computers means that the end result car is not the same. Another possibility is that, for example, North Americans like a slightly cushier ride, so the suspension parts are slightly different.

It may just be lawyers, but there could be other factors as well.

Maddy you are right to not take the dealer's word as gospel. They typically know little about towing -- their focus tends to be on selling and servicing the vehicle they sell you, as you found out.

I understand how it is to be in a situation where one more change feels like it will break the rope that you are already at the end of, but OTOH, perhaps changing vehicles wouldn't be much more disruptive than buying a motorhome and tow dolly setup The nice thing about a trailer is that you are not having to purchase and maintain two engines, one of which may tend to sit for periods, which they are never fond of.

I don't think Robin and I were reacting to you, or your judgment or capability, when we were talking about the dangers of towing overloaded as much as we were to suggestions that might have implied that you should that you go ahead and do it anyway. Also, we know from experience that trailers are very likely to weigh more in real life than the mfgr thinks they do, even lightly loaded. (Especially) since you are new here I think we wanted to balance those views with a more conservative one to be sure you had both sides to consider.

I tow with a 4-cylinder car, so I'm not one of the people who thinks you have to have a 3/4 ton truck with a V-8 just to hook anything up - far from it.

Researching is good!

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Old 05-08-2009, 03:56 PM   #40
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so whats her maximum tow rating? can anyone find it for the us version?
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:26 PM   #41
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Maddy stated earlier in the thread that it is 1,000 lbs. What we don't yet know is if any of the weight in the vehicle needs to be subtracted from this, or if there is any recommendation for trailer brakes at a certain weight point. Nor if there is a max. tongue weight specification.

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My VW Golf TDI has a 1,000 lb towing limit. I was reading the section that was giving the weight for the car itself. DUH!
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Back in a former life, I pulled a Coleman Colorado pop-up (600 lbs) with a Saturn (1,000 lb tow limit) and it was a good combination, although the mileage dropped considerably. Sadly, Coleman doesn't make them anymore.

Please don't be one of those "I can substitute will power and attitude for mechanical deficiencies" persons who not only risk their own vehicles and lives but those of others on the road...
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