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Old 05-09-2009, 08:19 AM   #57
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I don't see too many of those models here in the US... or am I missing something?

(I'm aware that they tow often with cars there though)

Dont look so much into the same make and model car but cubic centimeter displacement and horse power, if you go to some of the owners forums in the UK you find a wealth of information on towing with smaller vehicles.

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Old 05-09-2009, 10:53 AM   #58
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In Europe the same cars sold in the US have have a more robust tow rating,
I thought you meant "same cars sold in the US"

I would still want to know more about the cars than hp and torque ratings. I guess I just wouldn't assume they are the same, based on what I've seen when in Europe. It's kind of like you can see a number of Ford Rangers here, and they all look the same, but have widely varying tow ratings based on things you can't see.

Regardless though, Maddy has to go by the US rating, since she has an American version of the car and will be driving here.

And even though there is a case to be made for the US being overly litigious, I know I (and maybe others or even you) would be thinking "compensation" if one of my loved ones was hurt or killed by someone towing, for example, a 1,800 lb. trailer with a small, short-wheelbased car rated to tow 1,000 lbs. maximum, and afterward my medical bills started flowing in. I'm not litigious by nature, but that would get my dander up, and I would figure the person who was knowingly towing at 80% over capacity should be more responsible for it than me, who was innocently driving along without an overloaded vehicle.

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Maddy, I saw where you spoke of a air conditioner, I will tell you (not in an egg) but in our previous Class A with two airs, honestly the air conditioner had a rough time cooling the Class A down in AZ.......... Granted it was better than not having anything, but just wanted to warn you that if you do end up living in what ever you buy till you find your new home, during the summer months it wouldn't be Shangri La. I know this suggestion won't help for the trip out, But during summer months there is a ton of summer rentals (cheap) in most AZ cities due to the fact that people leave for the summer. Lot's of Park Models, Condo's etc. I also didn't think you were being a _itch, as you said, I understand the "egg desire" and didn't mean for the story I posted to freak you out, but meant for it to be an example of what can happen when things go wrong thru miss use. Along with all the positive of rving comes issues that may not be so positive and everyone needs to be aware of them. Believe me when I say, that one story is not the only example of things going wrong that I have read about. Hopefully you will find something to work for your needs be it a trailer or motorhome. Best of Luck on your journey.






It's very cool that everyone is posting info on some European cars that tow caravans, and I always love to see pic's of cars pulling trailers, reminds me of the good ole days when cars here were built like tanks and could pull even the biggest of trailers. It just has this nostalgic charm that's very appealing. But I have a question? Are European driving conditions even close to what driving conditions we face here in the United States? Having never been there, I certainly don't know. But from what I have seen, they drive much slower than we do, they don't have the grades that we face, and they don't seem to have the miles and miles of freeways with big trucks zooming by at 75 miles per hour. I know that when Dh and I owned the resort we would get guest from Europe, Germany, etc and they were amazed at the driving conditions here. Traffic, speed, grades to climb and descend etc. I also understand that they don't travel as far as we do to camp, which I assume that would be true cause some of the European countrys are not as big as here or at least not as accessible as here, since we have to build a freeway to every corner of the lower 48. Hopefully one of the members we have from outside of the US could answer these questions. It would be interesting to know. Has anyone ever shipped their rigs over there and traveled? We had one guest that shipped his 40foot-ish Mercedes Rv over to the states to explore. I can't imagine what it cost him. Very interesting Rv. Really different from the power sucking 40/45 footers made here in the states. Beautiful rig, but not as outlandish as a lot of the overtop big rigs here. Robin
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You must also keep in mind those that tow well within the tow rating of a vehicle, but exceed the maximum load capacity (passengers plus cargo plus hitch weight) for there tow vehicle.

Look for a plackard on the drivers door post or in your owner's manual for this figure.
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:19 PM   #61
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Re: A/C. Luckily, I will be 5,000 ft up! I'm not going anywhere near the desert floor, except to drive thru to reach my destination. It will be hot in the high desert, but nothing worse than Virginia in the summer!!! When I was young (loooong time ago) and stupid, my cousin and I drove thru Death Valley in July, MIDDAY in a VW Bug. Didn't even faze us. Actually all the folks with water cooled engines were stranded on the side of the road and we kept on going with the air-cooled. Dumb luck!
I know rentals will be available, but I'm actually hoping to find a lease/option if I don't find something to buy outright. I don't relish the idea of renting for a couple of months, then moving again into something else. So that is why I figured it would be easier to stay in whatever I have till I settle down. I can do fun trips later, but just don't want to drag myself and the "girls" in and out. This has been a hellish year for lots of reasons and I want it to calm down. After fixing up my house, having the lookie-loos in and out, in addition to a lot of other medical stuff going on - I need peace and quiet and a little calm. So if I can just get to the point of getting on the road - that's my big first goal. Seems a long way off, but the minute the house sells, everything will accelerate BIGTIME!
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Much more pleasant at 5000 feet, though like you said it still can get hot. Just not as wicked as the lower elevations. Well hopefully you will be able to find an rv option that will meet the needs of you and your fur babies so that you won't have to move a bizillion times.

I am sending you, House selling wishes, cause I seem to be on a roll when it comes to selling property. Sold 2 of our last 3 homes in a day or less, the third took awhile because of wild fires). Sold our resort without even really thinking about selling it, (Opp's) But the money was right! so couldn't pass that up. Hope they work! Robin
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More than horsepower, I think, that the body structure is important in towing. These unibodies just don't have the structural integrity to handle heavy weights. After all, they are mandated by our government to get good mileage. Mileage and weight are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Notice that trucks, which typically have body frames, are rated to tow more. Cars in the old days had lower power engines than we have today, typically 80hp, but their torque came at a low speed and therefore was more applicable for towing. Remember the movie, "The Long, Long Trailer" with Lucy and Desi and how Desi had to trade in his Plymouth and buy a Mercury to tow the trailer? A Mercury was a heavier car.
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I thought you meant "same cars sold in the US"

I would still want to know more about the cars than hp and torque ratings. I guess I just wouldn't assume they are the same, based on what I've seen when in Europe. It's kind of like you can see a number of Ford Rangers here, and they all look the same, but have widely varying tow ratings based on things you can't see.

Regardless though, Maddy has to go by the US rating, since she has an American version of the car and will be driving here.

And even though there is a case to be made for the US being overly litigious, I know I (and maybe others or even you) would be thinking "compensation" if one of my loved ones was hurt or killed by someone towing, for example, a 1,800 lb. trailer with a small, short-wheelbased car rated to tow 1,000 lbs. maximum, and afterward my medical bills started flowing in. I'm not litigious by nature, but that would get my dander up, and I would figure the person who was knowingly towing at 80% over capacity should be more responsible for it than me, who was innocently driving along without an overloaded vehicle.

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Seems scary, I work in the Trucking Transportation field (primarly equipment maintenance).
Come to California and go to one of the many DOT inspection stations and ask them how may big rigs are pulled out of service and cited for over weight violations.
Drive the 405 or 710 with the trucks going to the harbor that come across the border and domiciled in the US and imagine one or more of those big rigs being 3-15 thousand pounds over gross and you will see what we deal with on a daily basis.
Over the Pond Hynudai, Subaru, Opal and Ford have all been outstanding small car tow vehicles for years, and the same engine and platform are sold here in the US just under a different name.
To be legal and protect yourself in case you get in an accident by all means follow your owners manual, and hope that everyone else is following thiers.

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Much more pleasant at 5000 feet, though like you said it still can get hot. Just not as wicked as the lower elevations. Well hopefully you will be able to find an rv option that will meet the needs of you and your fur babies so that you won't have to move a bizillion times.

I am sending you, House selling wishes, cause I seem to be on a roll when it comes to selling property. Sold 2 of our last 3 homes in a day or less, the third took awhile because of wild fires). Sold our resort without even really thinking about selling it, (Opp's) But the money was right! so couldn't pass that up. Hope they work! Robin
Today it was around 90 with, what seemed like, 99% humidity. Hard to breathe when it's that soupy all day. I know it's an old saw, but it really isn't the heat, it's the moisture.
Maybe I should send you something from my house, you can rub it like a Genie's lamp, and send it back. Could sell my house faster?

Anyway, thanks to everyone for all the info and links. I'm going to concentrate on the house and if I come across a definite answer re the move, then I'll take care of that aspect as it comes. (You never know, I might end up with a little truck and an EGG at some point)
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I just thought of a trailer you could probably haul - a Puck. It was made to be towed behind a VW van. I believe the old ones weigh about 660 pounds.

That said, good luck on finding one in the US.
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I've seen quite a few of these for sale in the US, and even looked at one before buying my Boler (on the same trip). From what I saw and what I've read on the web, the challenge would be to find one that wasn't a project (they're a worthy project, of course, if that's what you're looking for).

I would still probably want to weigh one to be sure, when cutting it that close, but a Puck is a good thought

Maddy, if you want to see one, search "Eriba Puck." There are usually a few on samba.com as well. The beds are shortish, but probably fine if you're not too tall. They are nifty campers. They have a steel frame and an aluminum shell (with a fiberglass top). Plywood floor.

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I've seen quite a few of these for sale in the US, and even looked at one before buying my Boler (on the same trip). From what I saw and what I've read on the web, the challenge would be to find one that wasn't a project (they're a worthy project, of course, if that's what you're looking for).

I would still probably want to weigh one to be sure, when cutting it that close, but a Puck is a good thought

Maddy, if you want to see one, search "Eriba Puck." There are usually a few on samba.com as well. The beds are shortish, but probably fine if you're not too tall. They are nifty campers. They have a steel frame and an aluminum shell (with a fiberglass top). Plywood floor.

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Wow, there was a Puck that sold on thesamba.com - looked really nice. I'm only 5'6" so a shortish bed is probably OK, I can always sleep on the diagonal
I'm going to put a "wanted" ad in thesamba.com. I tried to do that just now, but their categories were a little confusing. I have an email in to the webmaster to find out where to place it correctly.
By the way, the site is [b]thesamba.com, NOT samba.com (that one is a Saudi site)
I wonder how many of these were ever in the U.S.? This thread is amazing for all the different lite-weight models you all are coming up with.
Thanks for thinking of that one. Another lead to follow.
Since I'm new to all this, is there somewhere else to place a "wanted" ad that might yield good results?
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I prefer to search for items for sale when I want something. Not that you can't place wanted ads, but searching is more active, which I guess I like. Also, only you know how far you'd be willing to travel for a Puck. I don't mind driving for something I want, but oftentimes sellers will be thinking "Oh, that's too far!" so I guess I wonder if they would think the same thing if I posted a wanted ad and would not respond. Also, when I'm selling something I rarely look at "wanted" ads first.

OTOH, some people have had good luck with "wanted" ads.

If you make a filler to go between the bunks, you could sleep a bit diagonally. They are amazingly smaller than something like a Boler 13, but if you're 5'6" and don't have a Saint Bernard, it could work

I found the largest number of Pucks on Craigslist. They were sold in the US through VW dealers for a time, so while not plentiful they are not super-ultra-rare. I've seen a number listed with misspellings, like "Uriba," so you might want to get creative in your searching

I think you will still want to be careful about weight, and you may want to actually weigh any trailer you are thinking of buying (vs. taking owners' word for it as people often grossly underestimate weight, whether knowingly or unknowingly).

The interior parts they use are already amazingly thin, light plywood. Nothing like the relatively heavy particle board doors and tables in Bolers and the like. Weights varied over the years, with newer ones weighing more (also, over the years framing could have been added to, etc.) I've seen all kind of weights claimed for the Puck, but 500kg is often mentioned, which is about 1,100 lbs.

I was very taken with the Puck, but I wasn't able to find one that wasn't a big project, and even though I'm only 5'5" and like small spaces, I felt it would be a bit tight for my use. But then I don't have the same weight limitation on my vehicle, so I didn't have the same motivation to make it work.

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I prefer to search for items for sale when I want something. Not that you can't place wanted ads, but searching is more active, which I guess I like. Also, only you know how far you'd be willing to travel for a Puck. I don't mind driving for something I want, but oftentimes sellers will be thinking "Oh, that's too far!" so I guess I wonder if they would think the same thing if I posted a wanted ad and would not respond. Also, when I'm selling something I rarely look at "wanted" ads first.

OTOH, some people have had good luck with "wanted" ads.

If you make a filler to go between the bunks, you could sleep a bit diagonally. They are amazingly smaller than something like a Boler 13, but if you're 5'6" and don't have a Saint Bernard, it could work

I found the largest number of Pucks on Craigslist. They were sold in the US through VW dealers for a time, so while not plentiful they are not super-ultra-rare. I've seen a number listed with misspellings, like "Uriba," so you might want to get creative in your searching

I think you will still want to be careful about weight, and you may want to actually weigh any trailer you are thinking of buying (vs. taking owners' word for it as people often grossly underestimate weight, whether knowingly or unknowingly).

The interior parts they use are already amazingly thin, light plywood. Nothing like the relatively heavy particle board doors and tables in Bolers and the like. Weights varied over the years, with newer ones weighing more (also, over the years framing could have been added to, etc.) I've seen all kind of weights claimed for the Puck, but 500kg is often mentioned, which is about 1,100 lbs.

I was very taken with the Puck, but I wasn't able to find one that wasn't a big project, and even though I'm only 5'5" and like small spaces, I felt it would be a bit tight for my use. But then I don't have the same weight limitation on my vehicle, so I didn't have the same motivation to make it work.

Raya

Just came across this on another site. Not for me, but interesting.


Safari Condo Alto: The Alto is another Canadian-built travel trailer with a very innovative expandable design. While other expandable trailers use soft-side construction, the Alto has a rigid glass sidewall that is revealed when the roof is raised. This results in a unit that has more than 8 feet of headroom with the roof raised, but with the roof closed, its aerodynamic 7-foot height is easy to tow and it fits in a standard garage. The trailer uses aluminum construction. The floor plan is much like other high-end teardrop style campers with a galley on one side, a small bathroom opposite the galley, and a dinette that converts to a bed. The large amount of window space makes the Alto a unique travel trailer that has the feel of a much larger rig.


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