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Old 04-19-2012, 10:44 AM   #29
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LOL actually too much coffee may have attributed to my condition....... a big coffee mug and many miles to travel are not always a good thing. ;-))
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:50 AM   #30
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I tow with a 4cyl honda element and it does just FINE! 1500 towing capacity. I do plan however on adding a transmission cooler this summer for when I actually have to tow in warmer weather. just got the camper in november so it was cooler weather at the time.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:51 AM   #31
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Floyd, according to Edmunds the tow capacity on the 2009 4 cyl Escape is only 1500 lbs " When adequately equipped, which may require engine and/or other drivetrain upgrades". Does that mean there is no way to achieve a higher rating with the 4 cyl?

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Actually I think you are referring to "rating" not "capacity", there is no way to achieve a higher rating with the 4CYL.

The Escape 4CYL automatic is identical in construction to the 6Cyl in every respect except for the engine itself. Aftermarket components such as electric brake controller, trailer light interface, and a ClassIII hitch will improve tow capacity(not rating). 170HP is more than adequate for a 13ft fiberglass trailer.
Ford requires the 6Cyl with a factory tow package for a tow rating of 3500# which can't be achieved without the aftermarket addition of an electric brake controller. That tow rating is equal to the vehicle weight with 6Cyl Automatic and 4WD.

The 6Cyl would be a great choice for any Scamp 13... or even 16 (or similar sized SOB ) However, though the mileage will be good, it won't match the mileage of the 4CYL when properly equipped/driven,towing a 13 Scamp. [Mileage being a germane part of the original inquiry.]

If you can afford it... The 2013 Escape has dropped the V6 and will offer the Ecoboost 4CYL(with tow package) with a tow Rating of 3500#. Lots more power, much higher rating. About the same capacity.
[It's only rated 2000# without the tow package.]
The manual transmission will no longer be available in the Escape.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:01 PM   #32
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No more Escape manual tranny.....GRRRRRRR.......... why do car companies keep doing this?? I saw where the VW Tiguan TDI is supposedly coming to the U.S. in 2015 with an optional manual. Gets something like 47 mpg. Keeping a lookout for that one!
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:12 PM   #33
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No more Escape manual tranny.....GRRRRRRR.......... why do car companies keep doing this??........
Having worked in the business for 27 years, the answer is that sales have to outweigh engineering and tooling costs. Manual transmission sales are paltry.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:15 PM   #34
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Makes it challenging to teach my daughter to drive a stick when I cant find one, lol. My first car (little pickup actually Dodge D-50) had a 5 spd. Folks figured so few teens could drive a stick even back then (1986) that nobody would ask to drive/borrow my vehicle. It worked! Also, being such a tiny truck seat couldnt get into too much trouble LOL.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:26 PM   #35
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I drove manual transmissions for years and liked them. I finally quit when I had to commute in stop and go traffic. The new auto transmissions are getting very efficient, so the pull of a manual continues to diminish.

But back to the original question - buy a new Escape and keep my pension solvent.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:41 PM   #36
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First of all, congrats on getting a camper ! Sounds like you all are in for some serious fun.
Regarding tow vehicle, you said "limited only by budget".

So:

how much is the budget ?

what kind of gas mileage do you hope to get towing ( be reasonable ) ?

what gas mileage do you want for the non towing miles driven ?

My personal choice for my smallish ( 3780 pound ) boxy camper ( funfinder, 19' ) is a Nissan Frontier truck. V6, crew cab, 4WD, six speed manual trans.
In my case, I get 19-23 mpg non towing, and my towing avg is right at 13 mpg. My thoughts are that it makes a great TV for camper like mine (and therefore for most all the FB campers ), because it's a sturdy truck, that has enough weight ( 4900 pounds ) to safely tow. The 4WD works exceptionally well if you need that for snow or other duty where 4WD is desirable.

Toyota makes a similar truck ( Tacoma ). If you are buying used, and want something a slight bit smaller then there are plenty of Rangers around, and you could even consider a used Colorado/Canyon if you are a GM fan.

When buying used, I would certainly do the homework and look over things like the JD Powers reports to get an idea of what the reliability is of the different vehicles you would consider.

You did not mention diesel or gas, but if you are considering diesel, you REALLY need to do your homework. My recco is for anybody that is a first time diesel purchaser, they need to do some serious research on it beforehand. They are a whole different animal. We also have a Ford diesel pickup ( as well as a Ford diesel tractor ), so I can go on endlessly about owning/operating/maintaining them.
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Having worked in the business for 27 years, the answer is that sales have to outweigh engineering and tooling costs. Manual transmission sales are paltry.
Of course if nothing but automatics are offered, nothing but automatics will be sold, Proving that nobody wants a manual transmission.
I'm sure everybody wants only one choice of "graytan" for the interior.
Everybody wants ony trucks which are too large for the road, garage, or parking spaces.
Have you seen the "options" lists for new cars? .....OF COURSE NOT... THERE AIN"T ANY!
Your argument fails when you consider the world sourcing of components and the 87 percent manual transmission sales rate in Europe.

Demographics and regulations are the culprits...
Sell to the middle 40%
Another 15% will buy a product they hate and the rest can go elswhere, except when all companies use the same approach...

There is no elsewhere!

That leaves 60% paying for products they don't want, out of necessity.
You don't take a man's freedom by force anymore, you take it by narrowing his options.

I sat for an hour at a tollway Oasis the other day watching traffic... all I saw passing under in either direction was a steady stream of mediocrity and abject conformity, looking more and more like the Eastern Europe of the seventies. Everybody there wanted a Trabant,and the few who got them were ecstatic!(yeah right)
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Yes, this whole automatic vs manual trans is a thorn in my side too. When I bought my Frontier in 2006, one of the criteria was "6 speed manual". But I also wanted a crew cab ( four door ) with a 4.0 V6. Man.....I had a heck of a time finding one with a manual tranny. It seems that 90% of the crew cabs that year were produced with auto trans. I finally found this truck ( correct color and all options ) at a dealer 500 miles away.

At the time you could also buy the Taco with a six speed manual in a crew cab. If I am not mistaken though, by model year 2011, Toyota had stopped putting the 6 speed manual in them, and in 2012, same with Nissan.
Honestly, if I could buy a Titan with a manual behind that sweet 5.6 V8, I'd do it. No such offer though.

Yes, modern automatics are indeed very well behaved and very stout as a rule. But still, I prefer to drive a manual.
Looks like I may be keeping the '06 for quite some time.......
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Of course if nothing but automatics are offered, nothing but automatics will be sold, Proving that nobody wants a manual transmission.
I'm sure everybody wants only one choice of "graytan" for the interior.
Everybody wants ony trucks which are too large for the road, garage, or parking spaces.
Have you seen the "options" lists for new cars? .....OF COURSE NOT... THERE AIN"T ANY!
Your argument fails when you consider the world sourcing of components and the 87 percent manual transmission sales rate in Europe.

Demographics and regulations are the culprits...
Sell to the middle 40%
Another 15% will buy a product they hate and the rest can go elswhere, except when all companies use the same approach...

There is no elsewhere!

That leaves 60% paying for products they don't want, out of necessity.
You don't take a man's freedom by force anymore, you take it by narrowing his options.

I sat for an hour at a tollway Oasis the other day watching traffic... all I saw passing under in either direction was a steady stream of mediocrity and abject conformity, looking more and more like the Eastern Europe of the seventies. Everybody there wanted a Trabant,and the few who got them were ecstatic!(yeah right)
Ok, it sounds like you are an expert.
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Old 04-19-2012, 05:56 PM   #40
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Ok, it sounds like you are an expert.
"X" is a mathematical term meaning "unknown"
"Spurt" is a drip of water under pressure...
Therefore an Expert is an unknown drip under pressure...
Yup, your about right.

No really, I'm just old enough to remember things like choice and freedom.
Nowadays... you can do anything you want ... as long as it's mandatory!
Have you ever heard of DSO?
There was a time when you could order a new car any way you wanted it, like in primer with no engine for example.
You could spec a new car or light truck from a list of options. My 1980 Econoline was ordered with such detailed choices as door positioners, delete the door switches, and knit vinyl captains chairs.
When I bought my 2008 Escape I couldn't get leather seating because I wanted a manual transmission... go figger.
"Packages" are to save work for salesmen,and reduce inventory while pushing lot cars. Nobody "orders" a new car anymore,what's the point?...
They "locate" one.
Sales is sales today, shoes or trucks... it's all the same.
For a while now "Have it your way" has meant going to "Burger King"
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[QUOTE=floyd;302386.....I'm just old enough to remember things like choice and freedom.[/QUOTE]
And THAT's why people have choices in molded trailers, layouts and modifications they choose to make. It's a wonderful thing and I'm grateful that there is NO one size fits all... what a flippiin' boring life that would be.
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My point being that I suspect those who think that the Subaru is adversisly impacted by wind while towing might be really suprised if they were ever to actually tow with one to realize how incorrect that assumption is.
I'm used to towing with my modified 6.2 turbo diesel V8. It has enough torque to tear the case of a turbo 400 transmission in two, crack the transfer case and wind the rear drive shaft up like a pretzel. (Made for an interesting day to say the least)

How one would feel the wind is relative to what they're used to driving.
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