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Old 01-29-2013, 12:53 PM   #15
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I'm in Cabo,Mexico till the end of Feb. but when in North Vancouver I go to Park Royal for coffee every day.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:55 PM   #16
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Many FGRV rear bumpers/frames won't support as much as a bicycle rack much less the weight of a generator, without a lot of reinforcement, and even then it can still be a bad idea. If your TV is a pick-up it's best to put it in the truck.
Yep, and even if you can make it work structurally, the back is the last place you want to put weight for stability. I really wanted to put a bike rack on the rear of mine, so sick of putting the bike in the trailer and then taking it out every night on the road. I bought a hitch bike rack and all. But then thought about it long and hard and decided dealing with the annoyance of moving my bike in and out of the trailer was preferable to risking a tail wagging situation. That feeling of the tail wagging, and I've only felt it a bit briefly, was NOT a comforting feeling! Unless you have a tiny, tiny TV, better put the gen in the TV, or perhaps secured on the floor over the axil.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:04 PM   #17
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Rhd,,, presents new challenges to an already charged situation,,,,,
Parts,repair and their accessibility are always a major consideration to me when Buying a used vehicle.
You could probably step up to a small truck for very little difference.
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Oh, if you knew me, you know I never make things easy on myself!

Apparently the engine and running gear is mostly interchangeable with the Montero which was sold in decent numbers in North America, so many parts should be available. Though, not sure they ever sold the Montero with the diesel option here, so those parts may be harder to find.

I really like the idea of a full cabin. A station wagon or small van. If it's not going to be low to the ground (relatively) like an outback, I'd prefer not to have a separate bed, cap. Perhaps I have a mental block over owning a "pick up". May just be wanting to be able to sleep in the van/wagon, get up in the morning crawl to the front and start the engine for heat, crank up the stereo etc. I want something fun to camp in if I don't want to tow anything. Something I can take on the back roads I wouldn't want to tow over.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:08 PM   #18
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Many FGRV rear bumpers/frames won't support as much as a bicycle rack much less the weight of a generator, without a lot of reinforcement, and even then it can still be a bad idea. If your TV is a pick-up it's best to put it in the truck.
I am seriously looking at an Outback, need a real back seat for g-children. Rear location of camper was the only place I could even imagine a generator sitting.

A truck would be great otherwise.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:12 PM   #19
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I was curious and found this forum for Delica fans-

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You must have missed my link to those forums in my OP. Definitely spent some time in there. But still coming up with more questions than finding answers at this point.

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That being said, I am at this time about 99% sure I will be purchasing an Outback soon, with a RAV4 a distant second. I currently have a fully contained camper van that I love. It is giving me so many problems that I am about to give up on it.
VW? Air cooled? Water cooled? Problems with the running gear, or just camper related things? Both?

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I know that IF I make a change I will go with a TV and a Scamp.

The specs for the 2013 4 cylinder are 200 # tongue and 2700 tow. A 6 cylinder costs another $4K and goes 3000 tow. Wondering if the price difference is worth it.

I can get by with a 13 ft, but would like a 16 ft. Looking for comments and suggestions here. I saw that Carol H uses an Outback to pull a 16 ft - 4 or 6 cylinder?

I have some other questions about Scamp that I will post elsewhere.

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I love my 13', but if you full time at all, yep a 16' seems like the ticket. Those 3 feet and 500-600lbs extra make for a much more practical home I think.
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I'm in Cabo,Mexico till the end of Feb. but when in North Vancouver I go to Park Royal for coffee every day.
Small world! Do you stay in the campground? Or you have a "real" home in the area?

I'll buy you one at Cafe Artigiano! They make one amazing mocha! Look me up when you get back in town.

I keep a Nespresso in the Scamp, I make a darn good mocha myself. But I don't have room in there for even one coffee guest! I need a 16 footer to be able to be social!
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:21 PM   #21
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Subaru actually only started selling receivers pre installed by them a couple of years ago although all the Outbacks came pre wired long before that. The dealer would just send you to the local hitch shop to have the hitch installed. So yes you can pick up a higher rated hitch and receiver pretty well anywhere. Suspect Subaru only offer the lighter weight ones from the factory due to a demand/economics issue, good bet there are far more buyers only wanted a hitch to pull their garden trailer than a travel trailer.

I am not so sure that the stiffer springs would change anything or thats the issue as to why Subaru doesnt want more than 200lbs on the tongue. The Outback as it is now doesnt do a noticeable sag even with more than the 200lb limit attached to it.

re the Oxygen weight on the weight list - yes it had a shower (mid trailer) every one I have seen so far does (3 so far). The trailers equipment looked pretty well the same as the others as well. It would be a good bet his tanks where empty when weighed as he camped with us at a full service campground the night prior & the trailers were weighed as soon as we arrived at the trailer meet which also had services. Would not make a lot of sense for him to have towed the six hour drive to the meet with water in his holding tanks. The reason the one you saw the ad for stated a much lower weight is simple. Its the same old story - not a lot of people have actually ever really weighed their trailers so the weight stated in ads is more often than not *way* to low - very common to be 600-700lbs over dry weights listed on paper work for the trailer. That's the reason the weight thread that Frederick has set up with all the trailer weights he has taken at meets and posted is IMHO the **best** thread this forum has. Would believe the weights on Frederick s list long before I would believed a sales ad.
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I'm in Cabo,Mexico till the end of Feb.
Darn Daniel did you take the trailer? If you did when you return would you share which crossing you used and how it went? & anything else you would do different next trip. Getting conflicting suggestions on that front.
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Re the RH drive Delcia - The Insurance Corp of BC did a study on RH drive vehicles due to their ever increasing nubmers in the province. The ICBC study found they have a 40% higher accident rate.
Yeah, about the RHD, I know it's not ideal, especially in traffic/city. I got quite comfortable driving vans on the other side, spent about a month in each of NZ/OZ in a Previa type van. But that was RHD in RHD countries. And towing is another matter in addition. Seems there are a few very rare LHD Delicas in CA, either a rare import from the right country or a conversion. There are plenty LHD delicas sold in various countries (Central/South America, continental Europe?), but I think the 4wd was all but exclusive to RHD markets (Asia/Australia I think). But the right person with right parts from both can make a LHD 4wd, but I bet those go for a pretty penny.

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You will also need to look for an Outback that is 06 or newer to get the higher tow rate - prior to that they were only rated at 2000lbs. Regardless what ever you tow will need brakes if over 1000lbs.
I think the change was in 05? But I'm not sure what they changed, the chassis is more or less the same from 03-09 from what I read. So it may have been changes that affect reliability of the engine/driveline more than the ability to safely tow that capacity due to structural improvements, suspension/control issues. Still trying to get more info on that. Did the rating change in other countries at that same time?
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A lot of us Canucks head south for our used cars as the cost differences can be big. Even if you dont still have a US mailing address the process is pretty simple on a used car to import providing its on the list of allowed vehicles. There was a big price difference on new Outbacks in Canada vs the US up until about 3-4 years ago - difference in 07 was about $9,000. So the used ones in the US should be cheaper.
Yep, I still have a California legal residence, but want to move that to WA. Have a few friends there, so that should be doable. Will certainly be looking down there if I go with an Outback.

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Rebecca add 600-700lbs to any manufactures dry weight to come up with a realistic weight. Although Subaru says its ok to tow with a 8%-11% tongue weight the reality is that you are much better off/safer under all tow conditions with a tongue weight of at least 10% of the trailers total weight- which in my trailers situation would be 250lbs - which is over Subaru's tongue specs. I work hard at keeping my trailers total weight down - in order to keep it remotely close to Subaru's specs. You can add weight to the rear to get the tongue weight down but the more you go below 10% the higher your chances of having yourself a big scary sway problem. I personally would not go there! You would be as heading for a *Big* white knuckle tow experience that the OP has experienced with his current tow and why they are looking to upgrade their tow for their 13' trailer.

As mentioned if I was starting out from scratch and needed to buy a tug and a trailer and knew ahead of time I wanted a 16' I would not choose the Outback despite how much I love them. Great tug for a 13' not so great for a 16' regardless of it being a 4 cyl or a 6 cyl as they both only have a 200lb tongue rating.
Let's just say, in theory, if the car was rated for 300lbs tongue weight would you be happy with it and a 16 footer? Or it >feels< like it can't handle more when you're towing? Is it a ratings/compliance issue? Which I do not mean to undermine, just trying to understand the matter.
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Subaru actually only started selling receivers pre installed by them a couple of years ago although all the Outbacks came pre wired long before that. The dealer would just send you to the local hitch shop to have the hitch installed. So yes you can pick up a higher rated hitch and receiver pretty well anywhere. Suspect Subaru only offer the lighter weight ones from the factory due to a demand/economics issue, good bet there are far more buyers only wanted a hitch to pull their garden trailer than a travel trailer.

I am not so sure that the stiffer springs would change anything or thats the issue Subaru why doesnt want more than 200lbs on the tongue. The Outback as it is now doesnt do a noticeable sag even with more than the 200lb limit attached to it.
Well, if I can safely, reliably tow a 16' with an outback, it seems like the most practical, best packaged option of me. IF. I'll look at higher capacity receivers.

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re the Oxygen weight on the weight list - yes it had a shower (mid trailer) every one I have seen so far does (3 so far). The trailers equipment looked pretty well the same as the others as well. It would be a good bet his tanks where empty when weighed as he camped with us at a full service campground the night prior & the trailers were weighed as soon as we arrived at the trailer meet which also had services. Would not make a lot of sense for him to have towed the six hour drive to the meet with water in his holding tanks. The reason the one you saw the ad for stated a much lower weight is simple. Its the same old story - not a lot of people have actually ever really weighed their trailers so the weight stated in ads is more often than not *way* to low - very common to be 600-700lbs over dry weights listed on paper work for the trailer. That's the reason the weight thread that Frederick has set up with all the trailer weights he has taken at meets and posted is IMHO is the **best** thread this forum has. Would believe the weights on Frederick s list long before I would believed a sales ad.
Well, I do know from my own trailer and it's trips to the truck scale that keeping real world weights down is about as easy as dieting at Christmas, where does it all come from????!!!! I think I have a lot of small heavy items. It's hilarious how packed my little TV gets trying to keep weight out of the trailer! But that 1650 lb number, that sounds super light for a unit the size of an Oxygen, more so than the average unrealistic numbers usually given for 16+ footers. Seems the more often quoted "optimistic" number for bigger eggs is usually 2000-2200. I think my 13' is about 1500lbs dry after all my mods!
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Darn Daniel did you take the trailer? If you did when you return would you share which crossing you used and how it went? & anything else you would do different next trip. Getting conflicting suggestions on that front.
I also would love to know about taking a TT down to Baja!!!! Never been down there and that's a real shame!!!
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View topic - Will an L400 tow a 4500lbs trailer? | Delica Canada | Mitsubishi Van Club

Some do tow big loads with Delicas. But would a RHD towing a big egg mountains be something I'd want to do?
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Small world! Do you stay in the campground? Or you have a "real" home in the area?

I'll buy you one at Cafe Artigiano! They make one amazing mocha! Look me up when you get back in town.

I keep a Nespresso in the Scamp, I make a darn good mocha myself. But I don't have room in there for even one coffee guest! I need a 16 footer to be able to be social!
Real home in the area I know where you stay and will stop by.

Carol is in the same area.
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Darn Daniel did you take the trailer? If you did when you return would you share which crossing you used and how it went? & anything else you would do different next trip. Getting conflicting suggestions on that front.

I took Westjet down Carol renting a three bedroom three bath condo for 900.00 a month in San Jose del Cabo.
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