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Old 01-29-2013, 03:42 PM   #29
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I think the change was in 05? But I'm not sure what they changed, the chassis is more or less the same from 03-09 from what I read. So it may have been changes that affect reliability of the engine/driveline more than the ability to safely tow that capacity due to structural improvements, suspension/control issues. Still trying to get more info on that. Did the rating change in other countries at that same time?
You may be correct it was either 05 or 06. I had a 04 and a 00 Outback prior and a 97 Legacy before that. All had lower caps. Between the 04 and the 07 there where a few changes - different engine and transmission combs and I did notice the change in the 04 to the 07 and actually wasn't impressed at first - still not overly. All 07 Outbacks are not the same and not just in regards to 4 vs 6 cyl. seem to recall different transmissions were matched to different models for example. Ratings in different countries have always been a bit different due to there being difference in their build combos as well and in some cases the engines & transmissions offered are a bit different. You can buy a diesel Outback in other countries for example that you can not purchase in NA. Most of the differences in components/parts between NA and other countries started on the Outback 2000 model when they started building them in Indiana, prior to that they were pretty well the same car other than a different rear bumper config.. According to Car and Drive the NA version of the Outback has different components in the back end from its European counter parts for example. I know the hitch attachment points are also very different as well. Had a friend from down under drive my Outback and they have the some year model - they noted a number of differences in the car - among other things they felt for sure that it was a very different tranny and had a hard time adjusting to the one on mine while driving in the mountains.

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Let's just say, in theory, if the car was rated for 300lbs tongue weight would you be happy with it and a 16 footer? Or it >feels< like it can't handle more when you're towing? Is it a ratings/compliance issue? Which I do not mean to undermine, just trying to understand the matter.
In theory if I were to stay with a total trailer weight of under 2600lbs and if the Outback had (but it doesnt) a 300 tongue weight limit yup I would say the Outbacks a keeper. But having said that finding and keep a 16' trailer under 2600lbs total isnt as easy as some claim. Would I put a heavier trailer on it just because its rated for more - nope! Not because it doesnt tow the trailer well - it does surprisingly well even in heavy desert cross winds etc. and its had to do a high speed panic stop on a steep grade more than once and it handled that as well if not better than I might have expected a bigger tug to do. But I tend to put more than your average week-end warriors miles on my tow combination over lots of different terrain. Approx 45% of the miles on my current car where put on it while towing. I know that pulling it over the steep roads in the Rocky's and the Cascades for example isn't easy on it. It does it but its not a cake walk for it, so I do worry about it over the long term viability of the car. Also as you pointed out there are many other options out there these days that are offering as good if not better gas mileage - being a full time all wheel drive doesnt help it on that front. Only problem is a lot of those better gas mileage and higher towing cap vehicles are trucks! A truck doesnt work for me as I need something thats *really* good in the snow due to my other activities. Havent meet a truck yet that does well in the snow conditions I need it to. I also need something that fits into a small downtown parking spots. The latter reasons are why my current Subaru is still with me
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Real home in the area I know where you stay and will stop by.

Carol is in the same area.
Gotcha. For some reason I was thinking she was out on the Island.

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I took Westjet down Carol renting a three bedroom three bath condo for 900.00 a month in San Jose del Cabo.
Not much more than what I spend for my 10x20 concrete slab! This town is just too spendy!
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I took Westjet down Carol renting a three bedroom three bath condo for 900.00 a month in San Jose del Cabo.
LOL did the same in Zihu in December. Have fun! Enjoy.
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You may be correct it was either 05 or 06. I had a 04 and a 00 Outback prior and a 97 Legacy before that. All had lower caps. Between the 04 and the 07 there where a few changes - different engine and transmission combs and I did notice the change in the 04 to the 07 and actually wasn't impressed at first - still not overly. All 07 Outbacks are not the same and not just in regards to 4 vs 6 cyl. seem to recall different transmissions were matched to different models for example. Ratings in different countries have always been a bit different due to there being difference in their build combos as well and in some cases the engines & transmissions offered are a bit different. You can buy a diesel Outback in other countries for example that you can not purchase in NA. Most of the differences in components/parts between NA and other countries started on the Outback 2000 model when they started building them in Indiana, prior to that they were pretty well the same car other than a different rear bumper config.. According to Car and Drive the NA version of the Outback has different components in the back end from its European counter parts for example. I know the hitch attachment points are also very different as well. Had a friend from down under drive my Outback and they have the some year model - they noted a number of differences in the car - among other things they felt for sure that it was a very different tranny and had a hard time adjusting to the one on mine while driving in the mountains.



In theory if I were to stay with a total trailer weight of under 2600lbs and if the Outback had (but it doesnt) a 300 tongue weight limit yup I would say the Outbacks a keeper. But having said that finding and keep a 16' trailer under 2600lbs total isnt as easy as some claim. Would I put a heavier trailer on it just because its rated for more - nope! Not because it doesnt tow the trailer well - it does surprisingly well even in heavy desert cross winds etc. and its had to do a high speed panic stop on a steep grade more than once and it handled that as well if not better than I might have expected a bigger tug to do. But I tend to put more than your average week-end warriors miles on my tow combination over lots of different terrain. Approx 45% of the miles on my current car where put on it while towing. I know that pulling it over the steep roads in the Rocky's and the Cascades for example isn't easy on it. It does it but its not a cake walk for it, so I do worry about it over the long term viability of the car. Also as you pointed out there are many other options out there these days that are offering as good if not better gas mileage - being a full time all wheel drive doesnt help it on that front. Only problem is a lot of those better gas mileage and higher towing cap vehicles are trucks! A truck doesnt work for me as I need something thats *really* good in the snow due to my other activities. Havent meet a truck yet that does well in the snow conditions I need it to. I also need something that fits into a small downtown parking spots. The latter reasons are why my current Subaru is still with me
Excellent feedback, thanks! I know what it feels like to have something workable, but not ideal. Got that now in spades! So, that said, an Outback, even towing a 16 is probably a lot more ideal than my current, merely workable, and only in ideal conditions, situation. Won't be buying immediately, so plenty more time for research.

May end up getting a bigger trailer first, just leave it at the CG. Then save up for the new TV for the next summer season.
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Gotcha. For some reason I was thinking she was out on the Island.
I do spend a good deal of time over on the island (family all still there) but if you look behind you up the mountain - I am looking down on you from a couple of hundred meters below the current snow line. See me waving??? Dang its a little socked in around the bridge this afternoon. But all eyes are on you when the fog lifts! More of us around than you may think so behave yourself! We dont want to read all about it in the North Shore News
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I do spend a good deal of time over on the island (family all still there) but if you look behind you up the mountain - I am looking down on you from a couple of hundred meters below the current snow line. See me waving??? Dang its a little socked in around the bridge this afternoon. But all eyes are on you when the fog lifts! More of us around than you may think so behave yourself! We dont want to read all about it in the North Shore News
You probably see me waiting for the bus in the AM! I know I'm checking out the mountains while waiting most mornings.

I'll have to pick your brain about the good hikes and walks in the area. I walk along Ambleside plenty and up the river some times. Have yet to make a trip up to Grouse, but been meaning to.
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You probably see me waiting for the bus in the AM! I know I'm checking out the mountains while waiting most mornings.

I'll have to pick your brain about the good hikes and walks in the area. I walk along Ambleside plenty and up the river some times. Have yet to make a trip up to Grouse, but been meaning to.

Well I can see how badly the traffic is back up on the bridge but my eye sight isnt good enough to make out the folks waiting for the bus

Send me a PM and happy to share some hiking area ideas if you havent already found them. The Grouse Grind, mother natures stair master is currently closed due to snow levels but the BCMC trail which also goes up to the top is still being used by the hardy but can be tricky due to snow but the avalanche rating is currently low - just check that before heading up. If you hike up to Grouse you can get a ride down on the tram for only $10 - I think its about $40 if you take a round trip.
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You must have missed my link to those forums in my OP. Definitely spent some time in there. But still coming up with more questions than finding answers at this point.

Yes I did, sorry, just joined and jumped in!

VW? Air cooled? Water cooled? Problems with the running gear, or just camper related things? Both?



I love my 13', but if you full time at all, yep a 16' seems like the ticket. Those 3 feet and 500-600lbs extra make for a much more practical home I think.

AH, the Van. It is a 1994 GMC Vandura 3500, 7.4 L engine, a monster that gets less than 10 MPG. Nice thing is that it is paid for. Only costs me insurance till I gas up to go. It is a pretty cool camper. Has a high top so I can stand upright, a 2 burner propane stove, 3 way fridge, microwave, toilet/shower inside, 2 nice closets, a drawer, side dinette for 2 and a sofa that I can barely sleep on. The dinette drops down and there is a filler board and it becomes a queen size bed. It also has fresh, grey, black water tanks and a generator that does not work at this time (needs rebuilt). A/C unit on the top of the coach and a propane furnace and hot water tank. I have been weekend powwow camping for 3+ years with just the battery for a little power for lights and my laptop.

It is not child friendly by design, which is why I would go another route if I have to go in debt for another camping setup, i.e.. Outback and a Scamp. I could drag the g-children along sometimes.

It is my daily driver too, but I do not drive much. I worked at home for the last 6 years and now retired,

The problem I have had was ongoing problem with the distributer cap and rotor burning out. I replaced them 5 times in under 5,000 miles. Then we decided to replace the whole distributer shaft that goes down to drivetrain and got 2 defective ones. The third one looks like it fixed that problem.

Now it hesitates and backfires in the carb when I get on the gas pedal hard. It also runs real rough when first started if it sits for 2-3 days, by the time I am a couple of blocks down the road it settles down. My nephew (and primary mechanic) thinks it may be spark plug wire. He does not like the looks of one that probably dropped down against the heat shield when other work was done.

He will replace them in the next week and we will see what happens. Right now I stay within 100 miles of home, but the bucket list includes going to all the National Parks along with some northern and western powwows.

I am too old to push that van down Route 66
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AH, the Van.
Sounds like a great van actually. But I won't put up with any engine that's not fuel injected in this day and age. A carburated 7.4l v-8 sounds HUNGRY! I wonder what a more modern, smaller, fuel injected engine swap would cost? But the thing about a modernish chevy, the right mechanic and the proper budget and it should run well. It's not exotic hardware! But carburated engines in the modern emissions era don't always mix well. So many complex bits and hoses!

I can understand you wanting something else. I love leaving the trailer behind and being able to drive off in something smaller than a motorhome.

Perhaps you need a Delica! (Kidding!!!)
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It is a great van and a very hungry one also. I am not sure about a different motor, the van is really heavy. The new fully converted vans with the same features as mine are made with much lighter materials throughout and cost $100K+ new. They really seem to hold their value too.

If I can get back on the road with this one for a while I will be happy. If not I will be moving to a TV and a Scamp. I call myself a turtle with my home on my back. I just pull over into a parking lot and draw the curtains. If I have parked to camp and pulled all my stuff out for the weekend, then I am staying put. I could drive away for a while but usually do not want to. If I forgot something -- too bad -- do without.

The drums are beating and I just hate being stuck at home.
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The heft you'll never get rid of, but a more modern fuel injected motor would really help with mileage I bet. Probably cost $3000 to $5000 to do right though. A diesel would be awesome, but that's a different level of conversion I'd guess. Not sure what modern diesel options would even bolt in.
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