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Old 04-01-2008, 02:01 PM   #15
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If you go back a few years and compare Ford ratings for manual transmissions, you will find that all of a sudden they dropped. Probably got tired of clutch jobs, but that's just a guess on my part.

Comments about Europe ratings might be right when you know your particular vehicle has a higher rating for there, but may not be applicable to other makes and models.

Ford has a note in all towing tables to reduce limits by 2% for every 1,000 ft of altitude, so towing at 10,000' reduces rating by 20% -- There's a basis for 75% Rules.

All said, however, I would think generally that a tow rating of 3,500 lbs is sufficient for the typical 16' egg with brakes.
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:12 PM   #16
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Ford has a note in all towing tables to reduce limits by 2% for every 1,000 ft of altitude, so towing at 10,000' reduces rating by 20% -- There's a basis for 75% Rules.
Wouldn't you think that rule is to take into account power capacity at higher altitudes, and has nothing to do with safety or other non-power issues? So as I cross the rockies I can expect slower going but other factors remain the same.
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:42 PM   #17
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We bought a Nissian Xterra to pull our Scamp. It came with the tow package.

Hope that helps?! Maggie
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:12 PM   #18
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Wouldn't you think that rule is to take into account power capacity at higher altitudes, and has nothing to do with safety or other non-power issues? So as I cross the rockies I can expect slower going but other factors remain the same.
Indeed I do, just as the manual transmission de-rating by Ford is more of a power/driver-skill issue than a steering and control issue. That's why you will often read here that if one is only going to pull relatively short distances on relatively flat terrain one can 'get by' with a lesser tow vehicle. But unless one has access to the actual reasons why a particular manufacturer set a particular limit for a particular vehicle, then one is guessing at the reason. Educated guesses perhaps, but still guesses.

I have personally towed too much with in-adequate vehicles in the past to recommend anything less than at least enough because I regard the ratings as 'fair-weather' stuf and I want more than that. Especially if I ever have to defend it in court in an accident caused by some fool with a sharp lawyer. I have a life goal to never be in that position, but I also had a life goal to never meet an oncologist professionally... Stuf happens... YMMV!



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Old 04-09-2008, 06:40 PM   #19
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I have a Jeep liberty CRD , diesel, that just seems amazing. I tow at 130 km/hr without even noticing my 13 foot boler is there. Then I remember and slow down.

They say a 5000 lbs capacity (or was it 5500) and I believe them!

If I was towing more than 2000 lbs I would want a brake controller.

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Old 04-09-2008, 11:53 PM   #20
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There are a lot of opinions about "excess capacity" vs "just enough to do the job." I tend to be in the "enough to do the job camp" because my TV spends way more time without a trailer in tow than with, and I'd rather get the better gas mileage for the larger part of my driving. The only drawback I've seen is that I climb the hills a little more slowly.

My tow vehicle & trailer combos:
A 3.0 liter V6 Ford Ranger with a 3000lbs 19' Scamp 5th wheel.
A 2.7 liter V6 Hyundai Santa Fe and a 1850lbs 14' Surfside.

Both TVs have a factory tow package with a transmission cooler and both either have or will have a TV brake controller and trailer with brakes. Both seem to get 17-18 mpg @ 55-60 miles per hour for mostly level towing. The Ranger gets 20 mpg Freeway on ts own, the Hyundai 23-24 mpg at 60-70 mph.

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Old 07-12-2008, 10:15 AM   #21
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Trying to figure our the right tow vehicle is certainly a challenge.

I was hoping to tow my 13' Scamp with bath, with my 4 cyl Saturn- some say I can, others say no way... so confusing. So Im looking into trading it in for something more substantial.

Anyone have any experience with the Jeep Liberty? It seems like the least expensive tow vehicle that will tow up to 3500#.



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Old 07-12-2008, 12:10 PM   #22
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we have a 16 ft fiberstream pull with a '94 Rodeo with a 3.2 V6 (manual trans) dont even know its there...took it to Big Bear a couple weeks ago..made it up going the speed limit all the way ...

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Old 07-12-2008, 02:54 PM   #23
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My thought on trailer brakes.

Just got back after our first big trip - 3000 miles (4500k) through BC to Alberta and back with our 2005 Subaru Forester pulling a Trillium 1300. Our trailer has electric brakes and I had a Prodigy controller installed the day we left.

I am now completely sold on trailer brakes - at no point in the Rockies did I feel that I could not stop quickly and safely if needed. Driving through Vancouver and Calgary with this rig was a snap.
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:26 PM   #24
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Trying to figure our the right tow vehicle is certainly a challenge.

I was hoping to tow my 13' Scamp with bath, with my 4 cyl Saturn- some say I can, others say no way... so confusing. So Im looking into trading it in for something more substantial.

Anyone have any experience with the Jeep Liberty? It seems like the least expensive tow vehicle that will tow up to 3500#.
We tow our 16' Scamp with our 2006 Jeep Liberty. We've experienced no problems. If I had it to do over again I might not chose a Liberty, only because of the fuel economy. I'm sure there are other tow vehicles out there that will do the job and go farther on a gallon. I was really intrigued by the talk of the Mahindra trucks and suvs coming to the states. I think I heard about them here first.
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Old 07-12-2008, 10:28 PM   #25
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We tow our 16' 1978 Fiber Stream with a 1999 Toyota 4Runner V6 manual transmission and what appears to be a factory tow package. We do slow down in a headwind to conserve gas mileage, and some climbs I fail to downshift soon enough, giving me some headaches. I feel this is a completely safe, stable, and well suited combination, and would put it up against any other setup.

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Old 07-13-2008, 12:29 AM   #26
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I retired our 1994 Rodeo 3.2 V6 auto (from towing) even though it only towed our 13' Casita Deluxe. It struggled in hilly states with only factory trainy cooler, etc. I bought the Rodeo new in 1994, but, with only 100,000 on it We retired the Rodeo to local travel because of its age & difficulty handling hilly terrain. Our new TV we purchased in 2007 was a new Honda Odyssey. We love towing our new 16' with the Odyssey. The Honda has great fuel economy when your not towing of about 27. The engine does work on the ''econo mode'' on flat terrain. You can also open the tailgate up when hitched up.
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:41 AM   #27
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I think this is the most active topic in most rv forums with the cost of gas being over $4. It is interesting looking at posts from a year or so ago, when people were still on the lower side of $3/gal. While tow capacity/vehicle choice is a personal choice, gas economy can not be ignored with gas prices on on what seems to be an upending spiral. We have seen all types of opinions, but the reality is that if you never have rolled backwards because you have exceeded your tow capacity, and have no power to go forward, it truly is an exciting moment. At that time, you only have a lick and a prayer to hope that your brakes work. We used to tow with a ford aerostar, and loved it. It was rated for 5500 lbs, and on a very steep driveway, not even in high altitude, we rolled backwards After much research, we found that you shouldn't exceed 80% of the rated tow capacity at sea level. If the tow capacity is 5000 lbs, don't tow greater than 4000lbs. Your transmission will also thank you. (Yup, we burned that out also, at another time... We just purchased a very used suburu to tow our 13' burro, and we own a 2500 suburban. The suburban will be kept to tow the airstream and horse trailer, but our goal is to use the 13' frequently, and we needed another higher mileage car for around town. I think if you are looking to be economical, to replace a late model vehicle with another late model vehicle is a costly proposition. Fuel economy is hard to balance when you take as much as a $10k lost on a vehicle. But why not buy an inexpensive older vehicle to get that higher fuel economy, and to get the tow rating that you are looking for?

If you are looking to tow 2000 lbs, using the 80 % rule, a vehicle that pulls 2500 lbs will pull your 2000 lbs. We used to have a class C rv, and loved it until we had to do ALOT of engine maintenance on a vehicle we almost never used. (did alot of local camping.) I think all (or most) of us are here because we are seeking smaller and more economical trailers so that we can downsize our tow vehicle. I loved the class C RV, but hated the fuel economy, (7 mpg), the maintenance costs-which tend to be higher if you don't drive the vehicle...(fuel pump failed, squirrels in the carburator, mice chewing the wiring, chewing the metal heat ducts, you name it.)

We opted for a non-bathroomed burro because we almost always use facilities at campgrounds. A porti-potty, at $70 is a far cheaper solution than black water tank repairs, gray water leaks, leaks around the toilet seats, water damage, and the additional weight requirements.

But, as always, this alway is a personal choice. You have to decide your level of comfort. But, why not buy a tow vehicle as a second vehicle, if you can buy an older one that has been well maintained? Just a thought.

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Old 07-13-2008, 10:05 AM   #28
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We struggled for months deciding what to buy to pull our 13' Trillium. The vehicle had to have a 2000lb minium tow capacity as our trailer realistically weighs 1700-1800lbs loaded. The vehicle had to have 4wd as it was replacing our aging 91 4x4 toyota. It had to seat 4 comfortably as we have two boys. It had to be used as I don't buy want to eat the car depreciation. It would also be nice to have reasonable gas economy.

In the end there are very few vehicles that fit that bill - we like the nissan and toyota quad cabs but there back seats were small. Nissan pathfinders fit the bill but they feel like a giant brick on the road and the gas mileage is terrible. It came down to a Ford escape or Subaru Forester for us and I just don't have much trust in domestics.
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