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Old 07-13-2008, 07:47 PM   #29
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We struggled with what to tow our scamp with. While our Ford Ranger 3.0L towed adequately, comfortable towing was not the case. The weight of the 13 ft scamp was enough to load the ranger quite heavily. Perhaps springs would have alleviated this, but we needed something to haul people at our destinations as well as cargo. So we went with a GMC Envoy 4.2 L6 engine. It was works great and has plenty of towing capability for future trailer upgrades. They claim the Envoy can tow well over 5000lbs. The only down side is the milage. Which is between 11-16mpg towing and 18-21mpg without trailer.

On a side note I know that GM has taken a beating in the past for not being able to compete with Toyota, and Honda, etc. But one thing I do like about the Envoy is that it is a very comfortable vehicle to ride in. The drawback is that the envoy only comes with a 4 speed transmission. To me this is a significant oversight by GM, but in all a terrific vehicle for towing and comfort.
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:55 PM   #30
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On a side note I know that GM has taken a beating in the past for not being able to compete with Toyota, and Honda, etc. But one thing I do like about the Envoy is that it is a very comfortable vehicle to ride in. The drawback is that the envoy only comes with a 4 speed transmission. To me this is a significant oversight by GM, but in all a terrific vehicle for towing and comfort.
Appreciate the insight. I seem to be leaning towards the Suburu for the mileage aspects of it.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:28 PM   #31
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We have an 01 CR-V and in the very short time I tried towing with it, it is too small for towing a trailer such as the Jubilee...You are supposed to keep it out of overdrive when pulling, and on the highway at 100 KM/H 4300 RPM is not too appealing. Also, it is above the rated weight of what it can tow.

I would worry about a car towing a trailer like this - could the frontal area of the trailer affect the way it pulls, like pulling a giant barn?
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Old 07-14-2008, 08:06 PM   #32
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could the frontal area of the trailer affect the way it pulls, like pulling a giant barn?
Yes, my Ranger manual states frontal area limits.
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:46 PM   #33
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Appreciate the insight. I seem to be leaning towards the Suburu for the mileage aspects of it.
Be carefull, I've been all over the Subaru website and I can't find any reference to tow capacity.
I found a tow rating unofficially on the web of 2400lbs for the Forrester. In the case of towing safety comes before mileage. The Envoy may not be the TV for you (way over in safety margins), but get tow capacity in writing from Subaru.
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Be carefull, I've been all over the Subaru website and I can't find any reference to tow capacity.
I found a tow rating unofficially on the web of 2400lbs for the Forrester. In the case of towing safety comes before mileage. The Envoy may not be the TV for you (way over in safety margins), but get tow capacity in writing from Subaru.
The Outback can tow 2700 lbs per their website and brochures.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:40 AM   #35
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Yep, my 2005 Subaru Forester has a large section in the Manual about towing. 1000lbs without trailer brakes, 2400lbs with trailer brakes, 200lb maximum tongue weight. One of the things that sold me on the Forester was it winning a European RV magazine TV of the year - in Europe my 2005 is rated at 3500lbs.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:05 AM   #36
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Slightly off topic, but I've recently read an interesting thread somewhere about the difference in tow ratings between North America and Europe. It suggests that European trailers are balanced differently (with less tongue weight), are often narrower, and that more advanced sway control devices are more commonly available, allegedly allowing smaller vehicles to tow more. Maybe someone can confirm this, but I'd say the general approach to towing in Europe may be different enough to affect the statistics and explain (at least partially) the different tow ratings. Who knows...
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:20 AM   #37
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If you go back a few years and compare Ford ratings for manual transmissions, you will find that all of a sudden they dropped. Probably got tired of clutch jobs, but that's just a guess on my part.
I'm wondering if part of the reason for the change has to do with lugging down the engine. An automatic transmission will shift down maybe before some drivers will.
Just a thought.

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As a former owner of a tow vehicle with a marginal manual transmission, the stressful times on the clutch were not so much being in the proper gear, but situations like stuck in very slow traffic on steep hill, or backing over rough ground at rustical campsite.

I wound up slipping the clutch a lot because you just can't let it all out backing a short trailer like a 13'. Things would have been a lot better had I had a granny gear in first and reverse -- I did change the rear differential ratio and that improved matters significantly.
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Old 07-20-2008, 04:02 PM   #39
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Yep, my 2005 Subaru Forester has a large section in the Manual about towing. 1000lbs without trailer brakes, 2400lbs with trailer brakes, 200lb maximum tongue weight. One of the things that sold me on the Forester was it winning a European RV magazine TV of the year - in Europe my 2005 is rated at 3500lbs.
If these are the correct numbers, then it's not enough vehicle for a 16' Casita Deluxe (bathroom) - especially the tongue weight.

FWIW I have an '02 Envoy with the orig I-6 Engine and the 3.42 axle ratio. This lower ratio is ample for towing the 16' and I have found (from talking to other owners) that it gets better gas mileage than the higher ratios. Certainly better than the V-8s. Actually, they make an awesome towing pair.
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:15 AM   #40
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No, I would not recommend pulling much more trailer then a 13' trailer. There are quite a few members who have pulled 15' Surfsides/Trillium 4500's with their Subaru but they are not much heavier then the Trillium 1300's and generally do not have bathrooms.
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ok, I have a 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe with the 3.3 L engine and the tow package (not an option in Canada, comes on everything from asia as a standard here.) My manual says that I can tow 3500 lbs with brakes and 2000 lbs without and the tow ratings for the 2.7L is less but in england where the 3.3 is not available (2.7L v6 is the largest gas avail there) the tow rating is listed as 4400 lbs with brakes and it even specifies that this is for a fully laden vehicle and to consult your hyundai dealer for higher tow ratings for driver only. So my 3500 is very conservative as everything else about these vehicles is identical except I have a larger motor with more low end torque and 57 more hp. In europe surge brakes are used more often (less likely to suffer user error and the braking is proportional to the tvś) and they tend to run lighter tongue weights with better sway control but if your vehicle is rated higher in europe ther is no reason that you could not tow upto your max providing your towing duty cycle is less than 25% of vehicle usage. They have already built in a safety margin for us (3500 is 79.5% of 4400) and at least hyundai is assumming a tv at max gross not min possible weight. Just my 2 cents. And I have towed a hybrid travel trailer weighing 3200 lbs and did not feel under powered or pushed around in moderate terrain.
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In europe surge brakes are used more often (less likely to suffer user error and the braking is proportional to the tvś) and they tend to run lighter tongue weights with better sway control
These may be some of the reasons that went into setting the tow limits higher in Euro than in US, tricking folks into thinking their tow vehicle is better than rated -- Merely rated differently under different conditions! However, it sounds like you have enough TV for the job.

Keep in mind that something that appears simple on the surface may be more complex -- For example, I believe the Euro tongue weights are lower because the tongues (ball to axle) may be proportionally longer -- If one extended one's tongue to fifteen feet (like many gravel trucks do on USA West Coast, the tongue weight can be reduced to almost zero yet be safer, sway-wise, than a shorter tongue with a higher TW.

Surge brakes have their drawbacks, esp when using engine braking on a steep downhill curve -- One may find the trailer brakes being applied without driver input in a gravel patch... Also, only some kinds of WDH can handle surge brakes.

What kind of anti-sway control are the Euros using that are different than here?
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