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Old 04-26-2012, 11:27 AM   #15
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Add to that, most smaller vehicles sold in Europe are standard transmission diesels and they also have different towing rules. For example, the max towing speed in the UK is 60 MPH, here it is as high as 75 MPH and Honda will want to use the worst case scenerio for setting limits. Here's a link to towing in the UK:
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:15 PM   #16
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Your "Opinion" though does seem to imply that you assume that they are indeed identical.
From what I can tell you have no actual facts to back that up?

Aside from that,why does it even matter if the rules are mandated by law and/or the manufacturers ratings that also is plain and simple.
No facts, just pure conjecture. That is why I called it OPINION.

While I am not a legal expert either, I have noticed that vehicles that are not rated to tow anything, like the Pontiac Firefly, do in fact tow trailers. There is even an add in the archive of Fiberglass RV's For Sale showing a Firefly towing a Trillium. If this was strictly illegal, this guy would have been pulled over. So, I assume, (no facts or research) that this is not explicitly illegal. I personally think it is a bad idea, but not my call. I also doubt that the manufactures mandate anything. They just adhere to the applicable standards and make recommendations. So it appears to me that some decision making is left to the operator of the vehicle.

I also think that the European cars, while not identical, would likely be very similar to their North American counterparts, (once again, pure conjecture).
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No one said anything was "Illegal", but intentionally driving/towing in an unsafe manner is illegal in most juristrictions. When the manufacturer sez Do Not Tow, or words to that effect, and you are involved in an accident, "unsafe manner" may well raise it's ugly head, even if the accident was the other drivers fault.
A lot of this stems from waaaay back to the first Corvairs when owners and dealer chose to ignore GM's stated tire pressures and helped them become "unsafe at any speed". In court, incorrect tire pressure was GM's #1 defense, and it worked well in many cases.
Beyond that possibility, is that a Honda dealer's service writer may well take note of that trailer hitch on a Honda Fit and make note of it in the master record for that vehicle as a hedge against future warranty issues.
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The plane will use a Honda Fit engine modified for flight.
An unusual choice, but I would love to see it.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:11 PM   #19
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As long as he's not using a Honda transmission it will probably fly. If you were meant to fly you would have wings on your back.
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I've gone to the web site for the Honda airplane engine after reading the blog. It's interesting to read, Honda makes very reliable engines.

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Beyond that possibility, is that a Honda dealer's service writer may well take note of that trailer hitch on a Honda Fit and make note of it in the master record for that vehicle as a hedge against future warranty issues.
Technicians, dealers and manufacturers are very willing to void warranties. It is protection from liability.

Small things can lead to a warranty issue.
*towing
*oversize wheel/tire
*suspension
*suspicion of overload
*broken electronics seals
*programming modifications
*aftermarket air intake
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The solution is simple: we should all move to Europe, or at least to some country where the vehicles have decent tow ratings.

I wonder what the Fit's tow rating is in Costa Rica? I hear it's a great place to retire to.
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With respect to liability concerns, warranty concerns,.....

In many states school bus drivers do not let children off the school bus if their parents are not there to retrive them.

Is there justifiable paranoia in our society??? Or have we not learned to live with the increased information available today?

As a 5 year old child I walked to school as did all my friends without issue. There is no information that the number of 'out of bounds" people are any larger in number. Yet there is now an instutitional paranoia that I fear we are extending to our children.

In my view, one does the best they can after carefully considering the situation and lives with their decisions.
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With gas at about $8.50 a gallon in Germany and only slightly less in the U.K., it might be cheaper to just get a bigger truck and drive in the USA.
But you could retire to Venezuela where gas is currently spiking at about $.12 a gallon, but I understand the political climate down there leaves a bit to be desired.
Heres a link: Shocking Gas Prices Around the Globe - ABC News
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I pull this teardrop that I made with a VW Jetta TDI 6- man from Alaska to Ca and averaged
33 mpg. But the hitch kept coming loose on the VW & the dealer said it would void warranty.
The DW & I did not care for the teardrop it was a bit to small for us. The trailer was 1300 lbs with all gear & towed great Ken
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This came to me by way of PM from someone who is very happy with CAN AM RV. They are Airstream Owners.

Certainly the aerodynamics of Airstreams makes them larger brothers of fiberglass trailers. The following link contains a rather interesting discussion about CAN-AM RV and Airstream towing.

The following link shows that a "properly equipped" small tow vehicle can successfully tow a rather significant trailer.

Whether one agrees with their approach, the results are impressive and their history of investigation and vehicle setup is impressive.

My purpose is not to create controversy but rather to show that there are other possibilities.

What size truck or SUV is best? - Page 6 - Airstream Forums

Information is always valuable whether accepted or rejected.
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The Airstream weighs more than that Edge. (If that rolled into any Ford dealer, their warranty would be voided)
There is a difference between "pulling" and "towing".

My old Chevrolet 1 ton can "pull" a Brockway 360, however, that is not "towing". Towing involves not overtaxing your tow rig.(Engine, transmission, axle, frame) One must be able to safely stop, turn, pull up grade, stay in front down grade, deal with sway and wind.

You also have to remember that a smaller engine will have to work considerably harder moving an object when compared to something with more power and displacement. Working harder means that your engine will not last as long. Then, you have to consider the build of your vehicle. A unibody crossover like that Edge is not meant to pull 34' airstream. Now, your half ton may have a high enough rating to tow the weight, but is not meant to do so on a daily basis. (Half ton trucks are not what they were 20 years ago)

The last thing to consider when looking at those weights is fuel economy. The guy running the Toyota minivan was pulling 12mpg. Even my Chevrolet K30 "six pack" pulls 14mpg with a 6,200lb 1.25 ton pickup on a deck trailer. (Not including trailer weight)

This is just my opinion/experience. But, unlike Airstreams, fiberglass trailers don't generally weigh 5,000+lbs.
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