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Old 04-26-2012, 10:53 PM   #29
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No one said anything was "Illegal", but intentionally driving/towing in an unsafe manner is illegal in most juristrictions. When the manufacturer sez Do Not Tow, or words to that effect, and you are involved in an accident, "unsafe manner" may well raise it's ugly head, even if the accident was the other drivers fault.
A lot of this stems from waaaay back to the first Corvairs when owners and dealer chose to ignore GM's stated tire pressures and helped them become "unsafe at any speed". In court, incorrect tire pressure was GM's #1 defense, and it worked well in many cases.
Beyond that possibility, is that a Honda dealer's service writer may well take note of that trailer hitch on a Honda Fit and make note of it in the master record for that vehicle as a hedge against future warranty issues.
Ohh,... Thank you! You have neatly summed up my argument that this is not a conversation about safety, just legal liability.

The assumption that if the manufacture's RECOMENDATIONS are not followed to a T, then you are unsafe. When in fact they have likely just used a much higher level of safety to guard against the lawyers successfully arguing that the operation of the product was too easy to do wrong. The assumption of the courts, in the US, is that a motor vesicle must be safe to be operated by all skill levels that the government licenses to operate a motor vehicle. That is of course an impossible task, but try they must. As you said it would otherwise look like they were engineering in an "unsafe manner", (your quotes).

So, there are three ways I can see to look at this. Either what I propose is true, that the herd of lawyers has artificially skewed the specifications of the North American automobiles, or the Europeans are much better drivers, or that the international manufactures of automobiles are conspiring to sell an inferior product in North American market.

My complete conjecture is, it's the lawyers.


Which do you pick, or do you have a different way to see it?
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:18 AM   #31
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In the 1950's Airstream ran an advertisement showing a Bambi being pulled by a bicycle. Knowing it must be true, by the mid 70's, when gas prices were already bumping $.50 a gallon, I bought a tandem bike so my wife and I could pull our 25' Airstream for our 1 year vacation. Unfortunately we couldn't even get it out of the driveway, so I sued Airstream for a bazillion dollars for misleading advertising and bought the two Vespa's I really needed for the job.
BTW: I read the article and there are no real mountains in TN & KY. A few hills, maybe.
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Of course we have had these discussions "ad nauseum".
There really are only two sides...
Those who believe in the general competence and responsibilty of the individual, and those who do not.
The trend appears to be towards welcoming the Shepherd's Crook, as we become Sheople,eschewing personal competence and responsibility, as relics of a bygone era.
The question then becomes only... "To what degree is the trend justified by the circumstances."
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:20 AM   #33
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In the 1950's Airstream ran an advertisement showing a Bambi being pulled by a bicycle. Knowing it must be true, by the mid 70's, when gas prices were already bumping $.50 a gallon, I bought a tandem bike so my wife and I could pull our 25' Airstream for our 1 year vacation. Unfortunately we couldn't even get it out of the driveway, so I sued Airstream for a bazillion dollars for misleading advertising and bought the two Vespa's I really needed for the job.
Bet you lost the law suit because you failed to air up the bike tires..

Other wise no problem! Airstream Towed By Bike - Can-Am RV - YouTube
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Gee, do you think the airstream was gutted inside??? Wish they'd shown us.
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Gee, do you think the airstream was gutted inside??? Wish they'd shown us.
They filled it with helium.
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Gee, do you think the airstream was gutted inside??? Wish they'd shown us.
If you think about it... Many of us move our Scamps around with a hitch dolly and only one person. Notice they didn't leave the parking lot.
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[QUOTE=floyd;304187]Of course we have had these discussions "ad nauseum".
There are really are only two sides...
Those who believe in the general competence and responsibilty of the individual, and those who do not.
The trend appears to be towards welcoming the Shepherd's hook, as we become Sheople,eschewing personal competence and responsibility, as relics of a bygone era.
The question then becomes only... "To what degree is the trend justified by the circumstances

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I think that at least one more side is being left out of the equasion, that of competency. While Joe may well make the decision to tow his 6000 lb trailer with a 40 HP VW Beetle, it's me, my s.o. and grandchildren that are along side of him when things go bad on a rainy day on the I-10 or heading down the grapevine grade.
IF (that's a big IF) everyone were competent to make these decisions it would be adifferent story but, just as 85% of Americarn drivers think that they are "Better drivers than average", I think that a lot of decisions are made by those that are not really competent to make them and create what is called "Collateral Damage" situations. If Joe wants to endanger Joe, that's his choice, but Joe doesn't have any right to put anyone else at risk.
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"Those who believe in the general competence and responsibilty of the individual, and those who do not."

A while back, sitting in a Home Depot parking lot, I watched a guy put several 2x4's then several sheets of plywood on the rather curved roof of his rather small sedan and tie everything through the interior of the car with some very nice clothes line. He then got in his car and drove out the parking lot and down the road, one hand on the cargo and one the wheel. Needless to say, I did not follow him. Raz
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Of course we have had these discussions "ad nauseum".
There are really are only two sides...
Those who believe in the general competence and responsibilty of the individual, and those who do not.
The trend appears to be towards welcoming the Shepherd's Crook, as we become Sheople,eschewing personal competence and responsibility, as relics of a bygone era.
The question then becomes only... "To what degree is the trend justified by the circumstances

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I think that at least one more side is being left out of the equasion, that of competency. While Joe may well make the decision to tow his 6000 lb trailer with a 40 HP VW Beetle, it's me, my s.o. and grandchildren that are along side of him when things go bad on a rainy day on the I-10 heading down the grapevine grade.
IF (that's a big IF) everyone were competent to make these decisions it would be adifferent story but, just as 85% of Americarn drivers think that they are "Better drivers than average", I think that a lot of decisions are made by those that are not really competent to make them and create what is called "Collateral Damage" situations. If Joe wants to endanger Joe, that's his choice, but Joe doesn't have any right to put anyone else at risk.
Do you see a significant difference between the definition of the word competence and competency? If not , it would be hard to say it was "left out" of my post.
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Don, that is nice looking rig. Luv the aerodynamics on the front of the car.
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"Those who believe in the general competence and responsibilty of the individual, and those who do not."

A while back, sitting in a Home Depot parking lot, I watched a guy put several 2x4's then several sheets of plywood on the rather curved roof of his rather small sedan and tie everything through the interior of the car with some very nice clothes line. He then got in his car and drove out the parking lot and down the road, one hand on the cargo and one the wheel. Needless to say, I did not follow him. Raz
Well, at first blush,that appears to be two votes to nil in favor of Shepherds Crook. The trend continues...but will there ever be enough law to cover all incompetence?
(or is that an oxymoron?)
But wait... maybe your last sentence was a vote for individual competence and responsibility?? (there may still be hope)
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In the 1950's Airstream ran an advertisement showing a Bambi being pulled by a bicycle. Knowing it must be true, by the mid 70's, when gas prices were already bumping $.50 a gallon, I bought a tandem bike so my wife and I could pull our 25' Airstream for our 1 year vacation. Unfortunately we couldn't even get it out of the driveway, so I sued Airstream for a bazillion dollars for misleading advertising and bought the two Vespa's I really needed for the job.
BTW: I read the article and there are no real mountains in TN & KY. A few hills, maybe.
"One persons bad idea soon becomes gospel to a million after it hits the internet"
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The Airstream towed by the Bike was Wally Bynum the Airstream founder doing it to prove his trailers were so easy to tow.
It is a fairly brilliant old school marketing ploy he cam up with and as I understand it he was an avid cyclist too not just another ordinary trailer pulling gearhead!
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