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Old 05-06-2012, 07:50 PM   #57
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Hey there Carol. I am a Can Am customer and feel very fortunate to be driving a Can Am set up. As far as waivers go, never heard of such a thing????

Thanks someone sent me what I was intreasted in.

Have you ever flipped over and read the fine print on the back of your invoice Not trying to be funny but these days even most of the smallest of Mom and Pop service garages have something written on the back of their invoices or work orders which you sign when you pick up your vehicle.....
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:37 PM   #58
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In the UK the Fit/Jazz rating is 1000 pounds unbraked and 2200 pounds braked. In the UK the engine is 1.2L; in the USA it's a 1.5L engine.
2200 pounds is more than our 17' boler! and 1.5L impressive.
Water and propane full 2190 pounds

The 13' bolers should be only 1000 lbs?
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:51 PM   #59
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Sounds great; we had to have brakes as our trailer was over 50% of the weight of our tow vehicle. “MTO rule in Ontario” still or Boler came with brakes. You can add them if needed.]Lucky the 17’ Boler had brakes from factory even though not ]The 17 boler requires a class ll hitch minimum as it weighs 2190lbs so added class lll and WD hitch as recommended in boler manual for our trailer. You will not have these problems class l will do the job.]We pulled 800lbs behind an Echo 4 door sedan in past worked well for over 5 years. (easy on gas)]Subaru Imprenza is a great tow vehicle for the 17’ size Boler. It has a 2.5L 4cyl and 2800lb rating for towing; again not a problem for a 13’ unit]Note: This is about paying for the gas of a big V8 when it is not needed.

We also have ours setup by Can Am RV
Bordon does your Subaru's manual recommended the WD hitch? Or does it recommend against there use as the manuals for the Forester and Outback do? If it does not recommend them did you talk directly with Subaru about why they do not recommend there use. If you havent then I would for safety reasons suggest strongly that you do.

Just curious as to how long and how many miles you have been towing the Boler 17' around with the Impreza?

The reason I ask is if you have only been doing it for a short time you may want to start having your brakes checked every month or so.

From personal experience in towing with a Subaru Outback that's pulling under the manufactures tow rating and a trailer with good working brakes (actually replaced the whole assembly a couple of years ago and adjusted every year since) the car has gone through brakes **way faster** than any of the 2 previous Subaru's I have owned but did not tow with. In my situation the Outback has 60,000 miles on it (about 20,000 miles of those where towing) and is on its second set of rear brakes (done about 25,000 miles or more ago) and next week it about to gets its *3rd* set of front brakes! As the frequency of brake changes is off the charts IMHO based on previously having owned two of the same make model car I asked the dealer about it - answer when your towing the brakes are working overtime - even though you have brakes on your trailer! Just in case you are wondering I do gear down rather than brake when possible & nope its not the dealer who is doing the brake replacements & yup I have had more than one place confirm the brakes are shoot each time before replacing. As a side note last week I had the trailer and car weighed twice and funny enough the car with two passengers (both under 150lbs each) and nothing but two sets of golf clubs in it came in weighing more than 2000lbs over the trailers loaded weight so its not a situation of the trailer weight being close to or over the cars weight.

Please take this as just a little heads up on the safety front as I do not doubt for a moment that as you are towing over the manufactures tow rating a trailer bigger than mine with a much smaller Subaru, that the brakes on that little car will be working over time to stop it. As you may or may not know frequent brake replacements is not cheap and one starts to wonder each time if the savings on gas is equal to or more..... based on the knowledge that the brakes are having to work overtime to stop my trailer and the personal first hand knowledge that being able to tow with a higher tongue weight would result in a safer tow I will be looking for my next vehicle to have a higher tow rating even though I am currently a couple of hundred pounds under my Outbacks tow specs now.

Your right you dont need a V8 to tow most of our small trailers but there are other 4 & 6 cylinders out there you could tow with and stay within the manufactures tow ratings.
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:56 PM   #60
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The 13' bolers should be only 1000 lbs?
Nope they are well over that. Please read the Real World Weights here.
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The 13' bolers should be only 1000 lbs?
If you believe their advertizing of 1000 lbs DRY, but I don't know anybody who tows around a totally empty trailer.
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The lightest Boler on that list is 1300 lbs.
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:07 PM   #62
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2200 pounds is more than our 17' boler!
Really - you believe that?? Bang if you were to come our meet in June were we will have a number of 17' Bolers I would be happy to bring in some scales to have them weighed and put a little fun bet up that not one of them will come in loaded at under 2200lbs (including there tongue weight)
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:37 PM   #63
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My Boler 1700 was usually somewhere near 3,000# (or more) when setting out for a weekend
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Dave that is right in line with the Boler 1700 #48 on the Real World weight came in at 2970lbs.

Oh but dont worry Dave - I am assuming we can sleep better about sharing the road with him as he really isnt pulling the 17' Boler with the Corolla he mentions in his tag as that would be well over the 1500lbs tow spec but instead is using the Impreza wagon mentioned in the post, which would only be over by about a 1000lbs or at least thats based on the only spec I can find for it in Canada.

Oh well How about them Canucks? can you believe they got the boot so fast.... yet another year goes by. Will we live long enough to see the Cup in this town???
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Sorry to have to break it to you, Carol, but there is a reason why they are called "The Cannots"
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Well, after watching the video of the bike pulling the baby airstream around the lot - and noting that it appears to be from can-Am - I think my views oof Can-Am are vindicated.

They in fact DO seem to favor towing anything with anything, and would see nothing wrong with trying to tow a 40 footer through the mountains (sans any form of brakes) behind a Vespa.

Sorry if I offended anyone on here who will now chime in to say that they have been doing exactly that for 25 years and never had an issue!
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Old 05-07-2012, 07:22 AM   #67
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The reason I ask is if you have only been doing it for a short time you may want to start having your brakes checked every month or so.

From personal experience in towing with a Subaru Outback that's pulling under the manufactures tow rating and a trailer with good working brakes (actually replaced the whole assembly a couple of years ago and adjusted every year since) the car has gone through brakes **way faster**
*****Wow Carol, something is really out of wack with your set up/TV.****

Note when the trailer brakes are set up and working correctly the trailer brakes stop the trailer and the car brakes stop the car.
In your case if the car is contributing to the stopping of the trailer then either the trailer brakes are set up incorrectly or your trailer brakes are not strong enough to fully stop the trailer. You should have this checked out.

I am a trained automotive mechanic and service our own vehicles/trailer brakes and I agree with you, checking brakes often is a good thing.

I have noticed trailer brake wear over the years on our Airstream. The amount of wear is normal, about what one would expect. On the car nothing unusual either. Brake pads and rotors are lasting over 100,000 klm's (60,000 miles) which for a sports oriented vehicle with an aggressive braking system is very good.

Braking systems that are operating correctly is a biggy. This is why we have professionals overview/set up our combination.

Note.. Towing enthusiasts from all over North America (West Coast, Texas, Florida, East Coast etc) have travelled to Can Am for hitch installation/set up and, or corrective action. Are you close by? No doubt they could help you solve your setup issues.

Not sure what the bashing is all about. If you do some research on Can Am you would find they have an exceptional safety record spanning 40 years in operation.
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Sorry to have to break it to you, Carol, but there is a reason why they are called "The Cannots"
LOL, we always thought it was about "Candu".....http://gnssn.iaea.org/regnet/Pages/CANDU.aspx.
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Note when the trailer brakes are set up and working correctly the trailer brakes stop the trailer and the car brakes stop the car.
In your case if the car is contributing to the stopping of the trailer then either the trailer brakes are set up incorrectly or your trailer brakes are not strong enough to fully stop the trailer. You should have this checked out.
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LOL you missed the point of my post - yes I am well aware brakes should last a lot longer with a good brake controller and good trailer brakes all set up & working well but that's not the case!

Have owned *a lot* of cars in my life time and none have ever gone through brakes as this one has. Its also not the first time I have ever towed. ;-) I also have owned previously two of the same make and model of car so I know what their brake life is/was & should be on this particular make and model. Nothing near as short as the current one!

As stated I had a whole new brake assembly put on the trailer after the first set of the cars front brakes went way faster than expected. Even though the brakes that were on the trailer where working and the party who took them off said there appeared to be little wrong with them! I still insisted they replace them due to their age as I thought that something had to be wrong with the my set up! Since then I have had the new trailer brakes serviced and adjusted - yet I have managed to go through more brakes - just as fast as the first set. The brakes on the trailer do work really well and the car will stop fast even in the worst case conditions as unfortunately it has had to prove it - it stops way better than some might think - actually way better than what I had expected. I can also feel the brakes on the trailer working even when stopping on flat terrain so I have no doubt about whether or not they are actually working & set correctly. I check and adjust the controller every time I hook up and if I was to set the controller any higher the trailer would be acting like a real big bunny rabbit every time I touched the brakes! That also would not be a good thing. I have no doubt that CanAm would agree its all set up correctly and its good to go.

As I stated I have talked to Subaru about it and I am told that as I am towing a trailer close to cap and even though I have good working trailer brakes the length of time the brakes are lasting is to be expected. The brake specialist who actually replaced the last two sets said the same thing! The brake specialist is actually not at all alarmed or surprised that I am getting such a short life out of the brakes. Told me I am not there only customer using a small SUV for towing that has had less than normal expected brake life. I was also told that another contributing factor is the fact this vehicle is an automatic (last two Subaru's where manuals) and the fact I dont live or tow in the flat lands.

As I said the car tows well, stops well but there are additional issues that one might not know about until they have put more than a few miles on the car. It also confirms that the vehicle is in fact working way harder than one might think to tow with the trailer and in my situation its not over its tow spec limit. Hate to think how hard the car that is towing over its tow spec limit is working. I just happen to think people who choose to tow just under or over there tugs tow caps may not be giving enough consideration to the additional wear and tear and how hard the car is actually working to tow that white elephant behind it even though while actually driving it doesnt seem to be having trouble. In the case of those who choose to tow way over the manufacturers set limits, I shudder to think about how hard it may be working to stop the trailer.

As I said its a heads up - have the brakes checked often!
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Here we go again!?
lol,,,,here ed,,,have a cup a coffee,,,this may take awhile.
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