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Old 01-30-2015, 07:37 AM   #29
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There is probably a bigger market for small pickup trucks that can handle anti-aircraft guns.
Unfortunately, watching world news, I think the Toyota HiLux has already captured that market....
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Eggcamper Weight, Tongue Weight & Towing with Outback

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While the Lexus shown may have a towing capacity as high as 6500 lbs, the current Volvo S60 towing capacity is 3300 lbs.


One will find little support on this molded fiberglass RV site for towing over manufacturers specified towing limit. What someone else does, does not mean You should do it.....
From my personal observation, many, if not most, new vehicles with 1000 lb or "Do Not Tow limits", are high MPG vehicles, and are bit on the puny side for towing. And, when that usual 32 mpg figure drops to 20 mpg when towing, no one is happy.

That Lexus pulling the 25' Airstream is an RX350 rated to tow 3500# in the USA. Pretty much the same engine and running gear as a last gen RAV4 or Hylander.


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Thank You Danny for the additional info.
Which helps prove that P.T. Barnum was right about something! But I'm not sure exactly what. LOL
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That Lexus pulling the 25' Airstream is an RX350 rated to tow 3500# in the USA. Pretty much the same engine and running gear as a last gen RAV4 or Hylander.
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That is an interesting point Denny. Thnxs for posting.

I followed the story of that Lexus since it was 1st posted on another forum years ago. The owner said it was a very nice rig to drive and as well as doing the Alaska trip he toured to the east coast and down south. He also reported that other than normal servicing the Lexus was problem free. For me this info would be an asset if looking for a future TV.
The story and Lexus as a TV is impressive considering it is based on a Rav4, Hylander, Camry, platform.
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Mark, I also tow occasionally with my 08 Outback, but I also have a Dodge Dakota that does most of my towing since I like to load up with "stuff" for longer trips.
I originally purchased the Outback for towing my 1720 GVWR popup, which it did well. Now that I have a 16' Scamp that weighs close to 2600 lbs loaded up for boondocking, the Outback is rarely used, since in order to use it I have to change the camper configuration (take 1 of the propane tanks off, fill the fresh water tank behind the axle with water, drop the tongue weight below the magical 10% figure, shift cargo from front to back, etc). The Subaru still does fine when I do that, and if I didn't have the truck I would be permanently moving my battery behind the axle (like Casitas have them) to better distribute the weight. Is that a possibility with your eggcamper? If so, that's a shift of about 50-60 lbs off the tongue and towards the back and would help with your lower tongue weight.
My Outback has been relatively trouble free, the only repairs were a torn CV boot at 80,000 miles, and the other boot at 103,000 miles. I would have preferred to take the Outback on our trip from GA to Big Bend TX earlier this month but the timing belt change at 105,000 miles is due (something I don't think your 2014 Outback has to worry about anymore)
Since the tongue weight is below 10% (but within Subaru's recommended 8-11%) I did add an anti-swaybar just in case, although it doesn't seem to need it, our Subaru is a sure footed tower, just hard to keep under that 200 lb tongue weight limit.
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Old 01-31-2015, 08:19 AM   #34
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Isn't the GVWR for the EggCamper only 2500# which means there really isn't a choice about loading them light? Per the brochure, the weight is 1880# before options but it is confusing because the only options listed are a canopy and a 2 piece mattress. I guess with the smaller trailers, a couple of hundred pounds one way or another does make a big difference.
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Old 03-23-2015, 01:08 PM   #35
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Eggcamper-Subaru Outback towing update

We've been towing the 2012 Eggcamper with the 2014 Subaru Outback for almost 2 months and over 8000 miles now. The Outback tows the Eggcamper easily, but we lose 1/2 our mpg --from 32 down to 16 average mpg towing. On highways, We've been towing at around 60-63mph mostly. But the car tachs up when going up any hill, or good sized bridge, so we don't use the cruise control unless we have a long stretch of perfectly flat highway.

The frontal size of the camper being towed should be just as important of a consideration as the weight being pulled. But tow vehicles are not rated for frontal loads, and frontal loads are not calculated on campers.

I think that if we pick the right mid-size tow vehicle, we may just still get 16mpg towing , but with the ability to leave cruise control on without killing the mpg, and gaining the ability to carry more STUFF, and use a higher tongue weight. The Outback is stable and easy to tow, with the 200# tongue weight, but a slightly larger tow vehicle might be an even easier tow.

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We've been towing the 2012 Eggcamper with the 2014 Subaru Outback for almost 2 months and over 8000 miles now.
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The Outback is stable and easy to tow, with the 200# tongue weight, but a slightly larger tow vehicle might be an even easier tow.

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The Eggcamper website reads:

HOW MUCH DOES IT WEIGHT?

1900 POUNDS BEFORE OPTIONS

250 TONGUE WEIGHT

2500 GROSS

Thats an empty trailer, so I would be interested in how you achieve the 200lb tongue weight on a loaded trailer.
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My Eggcamper was closer to 2300 lbs and 320 lbs tongue weight, but I did have 2 batteries up front.
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I think that if you like the Subaru Outback, that you'd also like the new Ford Escape. I have the Titanium 4 wheel drive model and it's rated to 3500 lbs towing. For a small SUV, I think it tows very well, and I think the small dimensions, good ground clearance and approach angles and automatic 4 wheel drive system, you could take it almost anywhere - at least places you could take an Outback.

And not have to sweat towing or take all these measures to get down to a ridiculously low tongue weight.
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My Eggcamper was closer to 2300 lbs and 320 lbs tongue weight, but I did have 2 batteries up front.
Not surprised. Most trailer manufactures suggest added about 500/600lbs to an empty trailer weight to accommodate the weight of the options and personal gear.
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My 2009 EggCamper had a 283 lb. tongue weight - single battery.
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:29 PM   #41
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Hi Carol,


Our Eggcamper, stock, is tongue heavy and probably about 2000# stock. So, before the weigh, I moved the battery off the tongue to back under the dinette, removed the A/C (for winter), put the spare tire under the bed, etc. Then we weighed in at 2380# with a tongue of about 220-230#. To get to 200# tw, every little thing went to the rear of the axle and I removed some items and carried them in the back seat of the car to get down to 2300#. So then, with a max of 900# in the car, we had a 8.7% tongue weight, which made everything within the Subaru spec.


200# TW & all Subaru specs met--but---You noted in a past post that the best tow was at 220-240#--I fully agree. I've made a hobby(Ha!) of moving things around for the last 2 months to get the best tow and 220-240# is the best. But, get any more than about 250#TW and the rear sags too much and driveability changes. At no time did we have more than 2500# in the trailer, and most of the time it was around 2300-2400# which would yield at least an 8.3% tongue weight. And we were always able to keep the car load weight including us, and the tongue, below 900# at all times. But we had to travel light. Traveling light actually helped us from having too much stuff! We realize now how much STUFF that we don't need(ha!). I really liked the whole rig trael the best when we carried the least amount of STUFF, about 220#TW, about 2300# in the trailer with any heavy items left carried in the back seat of the car and hardly anything in the trunk area of the car or front of the trailer. I've been told that the trailer tires are only rated to 60 mph, but was unable to find that on the tires. I had it up to 75mph once with no wind around and it was fine, but 62 mph was a realistic speed that we could travel in almost any weather on the Interstates.
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First off, the battery should not be inside the living quarters unless it is vented, dangerous fumes when being charged. The tire would do you better on the back where it was factory mounted. I assume you water heater and all tanks are empty. Then weigh again. Good luck. I'm curious though, if it is 1900 dry, why is your weight at 2400 w/o the a/c?
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