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Old 03-23-2015, 03:35 PM   #43
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Hi Ray,


When I started the TW was at least 300# on our 2012. I think we have a model that has a heavier frame (4") than most of the Eggcampers, so that adds a bit of weight. Just moving the battery off the tongue, the spare to the back under the bed (that works very well, as we leave the bed up), and removing the a/c, removing the original carpet (replaced with lighter weight carpet), --all these changes made a Big difference in the TW.
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:37 PM   #44
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I guess I had the 3" frame on my 2007?
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:47 PM   #45
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First off, the battery should not be inside the living quarters unless it is vented, dangerous fumes when being charged. The tire would do you better on the back where it was factory mounted. I assume you water heater and all tanks are empty. Then weigh again. Good luck. I'm curious though, if it is 1900 dry, why is your weight at 2400 w/o the a/c?
Hi Jim,
I installed an AGM battery which in the large space where the a/c had been and was vented bigtime to the outside and bottom of the camper.
Our spare was, from the factory, in the front closet. The under bed really works well! Much better than on the thin bumper or mounted to fiberglass on the rear. We don't take up the bed--so the spare & jack way under the bed in the back works for us. Our dry is about 2000#, 2400 w/o a/c but with the almost minimum amount of Stuff (there's that Stuff again!)that we need. That said, the a/c only weighs 50#, so putting it back in should be workable.


Yes --tanks almost dry, just about 2 gallons of RV anti-freeze. We used the water system very little on the whole trip.


Still, I think I just may tow with a larger vehicle most of the time--just so I don't have to keep so close of any eye on tongue weight. But that may involve the purchase of another vehicle--and that is another challenge.


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Old 03-23-2015, 03:51 PM   #46
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If I remember correctly, I think Dale (War Eagle) may know more about the frame question. His was 4" and our 2012 is also 4" , but I have never seen or measured another Eggcamper frame. Maybe it's an option or different years used different types?
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Old 03-23-2015, 03:54 PM   #47
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Mark, most trailer tires are rated at 65 mph max, rather than 60.

If you start shopping for another tug, the Jeep Grand Cherokee with V6 is getting good mpg for owners towing eggs. There are a couple of people on this forum getting 16 to 17 mpg with their GC.

In the meantime, please do crawl underneath your Subie periodically and inspect the receiver attachment points for any signs of metal fatigue, just in case.
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Old 03-23-2015, 04:20 PM   #48
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Mark, most trailer tires are rated at 65 mph max, rather than 60.

If you start shopping for another tug, the Jeep Grand Cherokee with V6 is getting good mpg for owners towing eggs. There are a couple of people on this forum getting 16 to 17 mpg with their GC.

In the meantime, please do crawl underneath your Subie periodically and inspect the receiver attachment points for any signs of metal fatigue, just in case.
Hi Mike,


Yes--I HAVE to inspect the hitch & it's mounting- because I installed it myself--So, I can't blame it on anyone else if something goes wrong in that department-Ha!


I'm thinking a newer Chev. Tahoe --then my wife can use it to tow her horse trailer and replace her 1999 Tahoe. But the $$$ may be a challenge. The 1999 Tahoe gets around 20-22 mpg highway even with a 350 v-8!


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I would second Ron's recommendation to look at the Ford Escape 2.0L Ecoboost FWD.
With 270 lb/ft of torque and 240hp, ours does very well pulling our Scamp 13.

Whatever you get, I would suggest paying close attention to the engine torque at towing rpm.
The torque curve on the Ford Ecoboost 2.0L starts to level off at around 2000 rpm and
then increases very gradually up to 270 lb/ft at around 3000 rpm. Towing at around 60 mph
in Drive, our rpm is about 1750. In S or S5, rpm is about 2250. The Ecoboost 240 hp is
developed at 5500 rpm.

By comparison, our Honda CRV has/had 163 lb/ft of torque at 4400 rpm and didn't develop
it's 180hp until 6800-7000 rpm. IIRC, the Subaru engine specs might be about the same as
the CRV?

Diesels and Turbos (the Ecoboost is a turbo) seem to shine in the torque department and
torque may well be the most important factor in towing a trailer.

Just my $.02 worth and maybe not even worth that? 😉
As always, YMMV ..... literally and figuratively.

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200# TW & all Subaru specs met--but---You noted in a past post that the best tow was at 220-240#--I fully agree. I've made a hobby(Ha!) of moving things around for the last 2 months to get the best tow and 220-240# is the best. But, get any more than about 250#TW and the rear sags too much and driveability changes..
LOL I made a hobby of packing light and moving things & weighing the trailer every chance I could for six years!

Miss my Subaru but I sure don't miss that part of towing with it! As I said before it a fine tug for a 13' trailer but anything over that it becomes a problem.
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I would second Ron's recommendation to look at the Ford Escape 2.0L Ecoboost FWD.
With 270 lb/ft of torque and 240hp, ours does very well pulling our Scamp 13.

Whatever you get, I would suggest paying close attention to the engine torque at towing rpm.
The torque curve on the Ford Ecoboost 2.0L starts to level off at around 2000 rpm and
then increases very gradually up to 270 lb/ft at around 3000 rpm. Towing at around 60 mph
in Drive, our rpm is about 1750. In S or S5, rpm is about 2250. The Ecoboost 240 hp is
developed at 5500 rpm.

By comparison, our Honda CRV has/had 163 lb/ft of torque at 4400 rpm and didn't develop
it's 180hp until 6800-7000 rpm. IIRC, the Subaru engine specs might be about the same as
the CRV?


Ray

The Subaru Outback does a little bit better in the torque and HP department than CRV

3.6-liter version = 256 hp @ 6,000 rpm Torque: 247 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm
2.5 Liter version = 175 hp @ 5,800 rpm Torgue 174 lb-ft @ 4,000 rpm

Based on current year model - but historically the Outback has not been short on torque.
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Eggcamper Weight, Tongue Weight & Towing with Outback

When Mark said the mileage dropped from 32 to 16, I figured that meant he had the 4cyl.
That is why I figured the Subaru and CRV might have at least somewhat similar specs.

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Seems towing a typical 2500#ish FGRV almost everyone gets 14 - 16 mpg. Doesn't matter much what they tow with.


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Seems towing a typical 2500#ish FGRV almost everyone gets 14 - 16 mpg. Doesn't matter much what they tow with.


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I average 16 liters per 100km or 14.7Imperial gallons or 17.7 US gallons with my Frontier V6 when towing my 16' (2600lbs total). It will get higher than that if I stay out of stop and go traffic or off the freeway and take the road less traveled and stick to 55mph or less. My 4 cyl. Subaru actually did a little worse than that with the best being about 19/20 US gallons on the road less traveled and slower speeds. About 17/18 US gallons if traveling on freeway at 65mph.


Funny enough one of the reasons I was reluctant to move to a larger tow vehicle was my concern that it would be worse on MPG's.... turns out most newer larger engines actually get better fuel economy.

One of the reasons the Subaru Outback is not known for its great fuel economy is its not a real light vehicle and its full time All Wheel Drive which does result in fewer MPG's vs a 4x4 truck that you have the option when towing in good weather to switch off the 4x4 drive option for better fuel economy.
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Old 03-24-2015, 11:09 AM   #55
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16 litres/100 km is 14.7 mpg US and 17.7 mpg Imp.

About what my F350 4x4 crew cab longbox diesel gets while towing!!!
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Old 03-24-2015, 11:55 AM   #56
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Thought I might add my 2-cents worth here about Toyota/Lexus towing.
I own one of the largest of the heavy duty SUVs made by Toyota (FJ Landcruiser) my research indicates that these vehicles (SUV/Truck) equipped with the 4.0 Ltr V6 VVTI engine and 5 speed automatic transmission are all rated to tow 5,000 lbs as long as you do not use 5th gear and have a transmission cooler installed. The gas mileage declines whenever you tow anything but that applies to any vehicle that tows.
Another interesting note is based on long term ownership of Toyota products, both SUVs and Trucks (over 200,000+ miles per vehicle) is their unbelievable reliability over the long term. Since RV Trailer owners tend to tow many miles very year long term reliability is important.
As with any vehicle...NEVER EXCEED MFGR's TOW RATINGS.
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