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Old 03-25-2015, 09:59 AM   #71
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[QUOTE=Uplander;511913]Are you serious????.....a 20-40 year old RV???....don't forget to apply for a special "antique" license plate when you register it!
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Keep in mind that you are stepping on the toes of the peeps that this very site was created for in the first place, owners and enthusiasts of Compact Molded Fiberglass
trailers, that current production 13' FGRV's have exactly the same amenities as the original 1970's versions, and that they are usually on backorder from the builders.

And FGRV's being "Antiques" at less than 100 y.o., hardly,,,, When you have molded fiberglass construction you don't have all those repair issues found in stick-built trailers of the same age. In restoring my 1973 Hunter Compact-II the sum total of structural repairs consisted of replacing an aged hitch and older appliances. Structurally it required no repairs, even the original fabric boot for the pop-up top was still in usable condition.

Keep in mind that many on this site are very much into forgoing the niceties you require and are very happy with any limitations that may entail.

Cooking inside or outside, walking to the bathroom/showers and boon docking are all high on our enjoyment of life lists, having a built in shower, bath and hot tub are things we love to live without.


BTW: What's a roof "System"? Is that the rubber membrane roof you have to replace when it leaks. Can't say we need those on FGRV's, our roofs are forever.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:11 AM   #72
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Some facts: only outside storage. Original owner lived in northern Vermont.
Trailer is in mint condition.
Seems like you are somehow convinced that all stickies self-distruct in a few years...NOT TRUE.
My neighbor has a Sun Line stickie built in the 1980s and it is still in top condition.

R-Vision Trailers garranteed the roof system for 12 years.

There are thousands of stickie trailers out there in fantastic shape dispite their age!
We owned a 25 year old Sunline, my favorite trailer in terms of layout. It had the black, freshwater and gray tanks all located over the axle. AS well the stove and fridge were also over or near the axle, a very nice design.

We would still own it today if did not leak. all the window frames and parts of the floor were rotted.

If there were a fiberglass trailer with it's layout I would probably buy it in a minute.

Our present Scamp 16 is now 24 years old and it has none of the leakage problems of the Sunline.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:21 AM   #73
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It should never be about gas mileage...safety and comfort should come first.

Happy Camping!
Certainly memories per mile count but so do the number of miles. We remember paying almost $5 per gallon in CA and realized that the cost of gas can impact one's RVing budget, particularly for people who travel all the time. Fortunately the price drop in fuel driven by the Dakota entrepreneurs has driven the price down and I now regularly pay half that.

Miles per gallon is definitely a factor for us. AS well we prize reliability since we're on the road for 8 months a year. We find most vehicles comfortable but not all vehicles economical to own.

In our 14 years on the road we have noticed a dramatic decline in RVers, though the numbers are starting to improve. I suspect the increasing costs of travel was part of the problem.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:52 AM   #74
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Also the memorable trip mentioned was planned for two years, many of us want to plan for no more than a few days in advance and GO.....


Years ago when we too were limited by "Vacation" timing we would plan extensively and then drive 1000's of miles, one trip was from San Francisco to the Great Slave Lake in Canada, tent camping almost every night. We didn't watch or record gas prices because it all went on a credit card that we would take the next year to pay off (as I am sure you did as well) before the next allowed vacation.


Life styles for most hereabouts are different, budgets are different, and reality often raises it's ugly head when it comes to RV'ing decisions.
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Old 03-25-2015, 11:29 AM   #75
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I too noticed the decline in RV campers over the "high fuel price years".
I did see a high volume of real buyers at the RV show I attended a few weeks ago. Many had to wait to see a salesman! I did speak to a factory representative who flew in for the show and he said one thing that did slow down the RV market was the banks refusal to loan money...that more than the fuel costs slowed down new RV sales for a lot of years. The banks have started loaning money again and business is on the up swing!
I enjoy boondock camping but like my comforts. Many like to "rough-it" but if I want my wife along the creature comforts must be there!
The reason for all that advanced planning back in the 1980s was because you needed a years advanced reservations to secure a campsite in places like Yellowstone NP and others...I think you still will find reservations a year in advance required to stay at the RV campgrounds in spots like Yellowstone.
Back in the 1980s without the internet you had to obtain a National Parks campground directory in advance, then contact the reservation center ( then it was TW Services) to secure a site and mail in payment in advance for Yellowstone....but....it was worth the effort!

Happy Camping.
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Getting advanced reservations for NP's was SOP by the 80's.


As early as 1973-4, when my wife and I wanted to return to the bottom of the Grand Canyon, we did the same dance for hiking passes 3-4 months before we wanted to go.


With only one Grand Canyon, they had to limit how may could over the edge at any one time and the Rangers would drop down into the canyon in helicopters to check hiking permits in the morning. No permit and you got cited, had to pack out immediately, appear before a magistrate next day, and pay about a $50 fine (about $300 in 2015$$$) as well as be banned from canyon reservations for a year or two.


But we couldn't afford three week vacations, much less 6 week vacations, anyway.
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I respect the fact that this is molded fiberglass rv forum but some people here are undecided as whether or not to go with a particular type of trailer.

Here is "light-weight" for those not familiar with the "other" side: Taylor Coach - Welcome and this would also be unit without a rubber roof. This would be another place to get information to make a comparison: RV.Net Open Roads Forum: Travel Trailers

One great area of confusion that I often see would be people not realizing that a molded-fiberglass is not just the standard fiberglass-sided stickie. To me, the worst trailer is the fiberglass sided stickie as the one we had the most difficulty deaing with. The "stick and tin" if maintained does really well especially when you look at the price point.

I think it is always good to point people in the right direction so that they get the information they need to make an informed decision.
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The leaks do not occur due to the roof cracking, the membrane will last at least 10 years so that is not the issue. The issue is the seams around the perimeter of the roof. I have had rubber, EPDM, filon, and fiberglass sheets on the roof. None leaked thru the roof but leaked at the seams around the edges. Constant battle as towing will open the joints. Then you have delaminatation of the wall material where the water from the roof or around the window separates the wall material. Next you have floor rot due to the water leak. So it is the seams that are the culprit. With molded units you eliminate the seams. You also have no delaminatation since the wall is solid fiberglass. You may have floor rot in fg some models, in others like the Escape and Oliver the floor is encapsulated in fiberglass or is a separate level. Any water that does enter drains away in both Escape and Oliver models.
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And don't forget, as in rocks cracking open in nature, when the smallest amount of water seeps in, freezes & expands, it's just opening the door for more water and more cracking and more water et.al. Makes it difficult to understand how any sticky can survive more than a few severe winters outside without exceptional care.


I have personally seen stick built motorhomes that went from seemingly water tight to economically unrepairable after only two winters in Oregon, and that's far from the most severe winters seen, as in the North East. Those with corrugated siding, such as some Dolphins, can be very susceptible to this kind of damage.
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Here is "light-weight" for those not familiar with the "other" side: Taylor Coach - Welcome and this would also be unit without a rubber roof.
Years ago we talked to the folks at Taylor with the thoughts of custom building us a TT. They build a quality stickie and it is common to see many 20 and 30 year old Taylors in these parts, where they are built. On the down side the aerodynamics are about as bad as it gets with their design.

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It's like pulling 2 x 4x8' vertical pieces of plywood upright down the road...
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[QUOTE=Cathy P.;511965]I respect the fact that this is molded fiberglass rv forum but some people here are undecided as whether or not to go with a particular type of trailer.

I agree with your point, but if someone wants to learn about different types of trailers they should be booking in on sites that deal with them, not bashing at the core of this site.

That's sorts like buying a Chevy and joining a Ford site to tell every one that Chevy's rule (which may be true, but that's a different point)
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I respect the fact that this is molded fiberglass rv forum but some people here are undecided as whether or not to go with a particular type of trailer.

I agree with your point, but if someone wants to learn about different types of trailers they should be booking in on sites that deal with them, not bashing at the core of this site.

That's sorts like buying a Chevy and joining a Ford site to tell every one that Chevy's rule (which may be true, but that's a different point)
I don't think anyone joined here to say that stickies rule nor bash molded fiberglass. Any trailer made that isn't maintained will leak. I have seen a number of rotted out floors on all types of trailers along with vents leaking at the roof and also windows leaking. People need to understand what maintenance is required. So, in all fairness, molded fiberglass trailers are not leak proof.

On towing, I don't know. With the right equipment, right tow vehicle, most units tow well.

It all comes down to you need to understand what you are buying, understand what you are supposed to do with it before you start doing it.

As much as I like the EggCamper, I realize, especially looking at the mods some have made that the weight is not going to be within the 2500 lb gross limit. Most of the fiberglass molded have the 3500 lb GVWR and I cannot understand why the people at EggCamper didn't go with that and yes, I asked, didn't get an answer. If it had the 3500 lb GVWR, I'd have one on order.

I dislike OSB which becomes yet another issue. Have seen it get wet and swell SO many times. Unfortunately, many manufacturers use it. I noticed it in the floor of the EggCamper in a "for sale" photo where the carpet was up.

Oliver is a stand alone product in my mind. I don't think they use OSB at all. Price and weight are more than most will want to bear. I have seen that they are working on getting the 17' onboard very soon.

So, EggCamper and that 2,500 GVWR? I guess if I could get a cheap used one and put it on a heavier frame and pull out the OSB, it would be what I was looking for.

Well, we have had 8 RVs of all types and they all had good points and bad points.
Choices are good.
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Years ago we talked to the folks at Taylor with the thoughts of custom building us a TT. They build a quality stickie and it is common to see many 20 and 30 year old Taylors in these parts, where they are built. On the down side the aerodynamics are about as bad as it gets with their design.

In reality, we pulled a similar shape but longer, 24', with our Ford van and an Equalizer hitch and never had an issue in towing. It towed like one unit with no sway. Van has a 5700 lb towing limit. With something as small as pictured, it wouldn't influence gas mileage a great deal. We need the space of the van or the Durango which we just bought so we have the power as do some others.
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