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Old 10-05-2007, 06:49 PM   #15
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Peter, axle problems aside, were I you, I would put some chafing protection around the brake wires where they cross the axle bracket, just in case. They may touch when the spindle arm is moving.
This probably a good idea, Peter. You can pick "convoluted" tubing at auto parts stores. That's the same stuff used in many autos and trucks. Make sure you get the split kind, which is easier to install.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:54 AM   #16
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I have just posted a temporary repair solution over on Scampers forum.

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Old 10-08-2007, 02:05 PM   #17
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I have just posted a temporary repair solution over on Scampers forum...
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[b]The trailer shop cut the axle off the frame, bent the brackets back to their original shape and welded the cracks together. Then they reinforced the top of the bracket...

Remember: If you have these repairs done do not let the welder weld onto the actual axle outer housing because of the damage that will happen to the rubber inside.
I think the caution given here is important. I would be concerned about the heat put into the axle assembly by the repair work, which is both more extensive and (in the case of the cracks) closer to the axle tube than a normal welded installation onto a trailer.

I suppose that if you're sure it's going to be temporary, the risk of rubber damage - and the fact that the mounting is still incorrect, is not a problem.
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I think these failures are way out on the axle bracket, where they won't affect the tube and rubber, but trying to replace the bracket would likely be a problem.

I don't like the idea of welding the cracks -- Typically, the heat of welding will create a parallel zone to the weld where a new crack or set of cracks can form. However, they were also reinforced, so all may be well.

Were it my axle, I would NOT accept a cure that wasn't specifically blessed by the axle manufacturer, especially since it appears the improper axle bracket orientation was installed by Scamp.
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Old 10-09-2007, 08:18 PM   #19
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I understand Pete! The only other thing that seems to be a fix would be to replace the axle. Right now it will have to work so I can still enjoy my trailer until Scamp decides to replace our axles.

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Old 10-10-2007, 10:38 AM   #20
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I just got off the phone with Kent at Scamp. He informed me that he has contacted his supplier and is awaiting their recommendation on the proper repair action. He asked for my pictures so that he may forward them on to his supplier.

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Old 10-10-2007, 10:39 AM   #21
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I think these failures are way out on the axle bracket, where they won't affect the tube and rubber, but trying to replace the bracket would likely be a problem.
The crack along the longitudinal centreline of the top - through the mounting holes - is indeed far from the tube. The subsequent tearing damage shown in some of the photos is not.

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I don't like the idea of welding the cracks -- Typically, the heat of welding will create a parallel zone to the weld where a new crack or set of cracks can form...

Were it my axle, I would NOT accept a cure that wasn't specifically blessed by the axle manufacturer, especially since it appears the improper axle bracket orientation was installed by Scamp.
I agree strongly with both of these comments.
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Old 10-12-2007, 04:42 PM   #22
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I have great news! I just got off the phone with Kent Eveland at Scamp and he is shipping me a new axle to the facility of my choice in Houston.

I now can not say enough good things about Scamp and their trailers. I highly praise the actions that they have taken to take care of my problems. It seems they went far beyond the call of duty to make things right in my situation. As many of you may know the pictures of my broken axle brackets have been the worst to date and I am so happy
now!!!! If any of you had any doubts about Scamp and their commitment to customer satisfaction and their will to stand behind their product this incident should be a great testimony.

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Old 10-12-2007, 08:08 PM   #23
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I'm glad to hear Scamp has appropriately taken care of at least one customer. Now I hope they handle the problem for everyone, not just those who already have serious damage and have aggressively pursued it.

I suppose hindsight is 20/20, but I still have to wonder why trailers were built for so long with such an obviously incorrect design feature.
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Old 10-12-2007, 08:42 PM   #24
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Contrary to your belief, I never aggressively persued Scamp to fix my Axle. I never threatened or had any derogotory words. It took 1 phone call to Kent Eveland and an email. He returned my email with the great news. Hats off to Mr. Scamp!!!!!!!!

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Old 10-13-2007, 10:32 AM   #25
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By "aggressively" I didn't mean to suggest anything negative - sorry if I was not clear.

The Scampers discussion is extensive and describes multiple contacts with Scamp, in which there was initially no acknowledgment of the mounting error. Several rounds of back-and-forth with photo documentation is pretty aggressively pursuing remediation; I'm glad that Blair's contact with Scamp only required one call and e-mail message ... plus the photos.

It's pretty common that the first customers of any company to report a problem have to work to get a resolution; however, once the problem and a solution are identified, subsequent customers should need to do very little. In a safety issue like this, I think the manufacturer should volunteer a solution even to customers who don't know about the problem yet. Hopefully, that will happen, as not every Scamp owner reads these forums.
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One of the Yahoo Scampers has taken the lead on this and is preparing a PDF describing the problem, including photos, and how to inspect your Scamp. It apparently affects Scamp 16' and 19' made from 2002 to 2007 with the bracket reversed and too wide. So far, it appears only the heavier models actually show strain or breakage. Don't know yet what Scamp will do in the long run to fix this.
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Old 10-23-2007, 07:04 PM   #27
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Here's the PDF link by Kamper Bob:

Scamp Axle Alert
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:15 PM   #28
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I'd like to add my nickel's worth to this forum.

I have an 07 5th wheel, and put about 25,000 kms (16000 mi), and just recently was directed to your site. Many thanks for it's existance since I checked, and the axel brackets on both sides are cracked.

The cracks in the brackets appear to be a failure on somebody's part to match the mounting bracket to the frame. The mounting brackets are about two inches too wide for the frame dimensions. This means that the weight of the trailer is not directly above the main structure of the bracket/axel. It puts tremendous stress on the one inch of bracket which is outside the frame of the trailer, and the bracket cracks.

Seems to me to be two possible causes:

1) Scamp did not order axels with the correct specifications.
2) Al Ko did not supply the axels as ordered.

It also seems to me that someone at Scamp should have realized that the brackets did not mate properly with the frame. Somewhere in the mix is an engineer/designer error.

I was in touch with Kent a few days ago, and he told me that he has been looking at the problem, and will be in touch with Al Ko. I imagine a fix will be determined.

I am attampting to add a sketch I made of the axel and bracket on my trailer, along with a couple of possible fixes. Hope it works.

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