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Old 11-16-2014, 07:54 PM   #15
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Glad to help, Wendy.

One more thing. ......
The 2.0L Ecoboost is a turbo engine. That should mean that it will do well in the Adirondacks, the Rockies, the Smokies, etc.

With non-turbo engines, even our non-towing autos and vans bogged down on Colorado snow skiing trips.

The steep grades around Branson hardly phased the 2.0L Ecoboost Escape. 😊

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Old 11-16-2014, 10:12 PM   #16
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We towed our 13' Boler for 6 years with our 2008 Escape. The 1 1/4" hitch is no problem. Our gas consumption only increased by 2 litres per 100 km ( you do the math to convert to mpg) from 10 without trailer to 12 towing. We covered Vancouver Island down to Southern California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada so all terrains and weathers. Only thing to check is to make sure you have a proper tranny cooler. Ford used to include it when you ordered the tow package on the v6, but I am not familiar with the new Escapes. I wouldn't be concerned using the Class ll hitch for your Scamp.
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Old 11-17-2014, 03:25 AM   #17
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We drove a 2014 Escape but we bought a 2014 Subaru automatic.

We drove Washington to Arizona and back, 5524 miles, towing Homelet, January to March and averaged 22.1mpg.

The Subaru is roomier inside and has standard AWD.

The fact we had bad experience with the local Ford dealer in the past and good with the Subaru dealer also influenced our decision.

We use the same 1" draw bar from our 2000 Outback. No problems.
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Old 11-17-2014, 09:52 AM   #18
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Roger - We have friends who have spoken quite highly of their Subarus
and they were definitely on the short list of vehicles that I investigated.

Unfortunately, when I started considering replacing my older "work car",
my wife's request was that we select a vehicle that could easily tow the
next size larger trailer (i.e. a 16ft Scamp or other similar FGRV).

We knew that our Scamp13 was at the top end of our 2011 Honda CRVs
rated capacity. See the following thread:
13' Scamp Weight

Like Annette, we knew that we might like a bathroom in our trailer, but
we decided that it would not be possible to meet our other requirements
and also have a bathroom in a 13 foot trailer. See the following:
Scamp 13 Pros and cons of bathroom

When our kids were living at home, we had criss-crossed the country
in a StarCraft popup trailer and we weren't sure if we eventually might
want to travel 7 months out of the year (like Norm & Ginny). Although
we really like our 54" bed Scamp13L1, longer distance/duration travel
might make us want a slightly larger trailer.

We have extended family and friends who are working at (or who have
retired from) Ford and we were able to buy the 2014 Escape at the
model year end for invoice minus several thousand dollars in rebates
and incentives.

I tried to use Edmunds.com and the manufacturer's websites to research
the hp, torque, tow/tongue weight ratings, and mpg of several types of
reasonable(?) candidate SUV tow vehicle choices (my wife did not want
another minivan). Although I might have made a mistake or two, this
is what I think that I found:

2014 Ford Escape 2.0L I4 A6 240hp@5500rpm 270ft/lbs@3000 3500lbs tow 22/30mpg
2014 Subaru Outback 2.5L I4 M6 170hp@5800rpm
174ft/lbs@4100 2700lbs tow 21/28mpg
2014 Subaru Forrester 2.5L I4 M6 170hp@5800rpm
174ft/lbs@4100 1500lbs tow 22/29mpg
2014 Honda CRV 2.4L I4 A5 185hp@5800rpm
163ft/lbs@4100 1500lbs tow 23/31mpg
2014 Honda Pilot 3.5L V6 A5
250hp@5700rpm
253ft/lbs@4800 2000lbs tow 18/25mpg
2014 Toyota Highlander 2.7L V6 A5
185hp@5800rpm
184ft/lbs@4200 1500lbs tow 20/25mpg

I think that FWD vs AWD might have a fairly noticeable effect on mpg.
I have talked with other friends who have "stickies". They've told me
that, if they travel over 150-200 miles, their poor fuel economy makes
it cheaper to just "motel it". I've hoped that we might be able to travel
the country without too much thought about fuel expenses.

Wendy - you might want to try to do similar research on both used and
new vehicles and then get actual owners impressions of build quality,
customer service, and towing experience.

Our 2014 Ford Escape is probably just now getting broken in and our
experience may change over the next years and thousands of miles.
For now, we are pretty satisfied with most aspects of the 2014 Escape
(and our current Scamp13 probably weighs less than half of the Escape's
rated tow capacity.)

We also still currently have the option of towing our Scamp13 with
either the 2011 Honda CRV or the 2014 Ford Escape.

In this case, both figuratively and literally, YMMV!

Best of luck with your decision, Wendy!

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Old 11-17-2014, 11:02 AM   #19
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UIMHO when it comes to towing more is better so my vote is for the 6cyl engine.
When buying used check to see if the Escape is set up with a tow package. That will give you a trans-cooler and a higher amp rated alternator. All this is important. Even with the factory installed tow package you will have to have a trailer brake controller installed. Even if the dealer does not show the used Escape on his web site call directly and check. Many dealers do not keep up with their web listings.

If you find an Escape without the tow package factory installed you can have any good transmission shop install a Trans-cooler and get by with the stock alternator.

If you do head for the Adirondacks to camp do not miss the best campground as rated by campers every year....Fish Creek Ponds up near Lake Placid and Saranac Lake. Just about every site is on the water of one of several interconnected small lakes...as with most New York campgrounds you will not have any hookups at your site but plenty of water faucets throughout the campgrounds, plus bathrooms and showers also scattered about the campground. Be sure to reserve your site early as this campgrount is 100% booked in July and August. IMHO best times to camp is before school vacations and in September and October as there are fewer campers then and you can just about pick your site.

Escape vs Subaru.....latest consumer reports data....Subaru beats Ford in quality.....Subaru second only to Toyota in overall quality and dependability. I am a loyal Toyota owner and feel their quality and dependability is number 1.
I own and tow with a 2007 Toyota FJ Landcruiser, V6, 4X4, automatic. 80,000+ miles...all trouble free and it will go just about anywhere...road or no road! My wife drives a Toyota and plans on keeping it forever! Look at the RAV 4 in 6 CYL (also available in 4 cyl) or the very roomy Highlander. Above all never limit your possible choices and do a lot of research before you spend your hard earned money!

Best of luck and Happy Camping!
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Old 11-17-2014, 01:38 PM   #20
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Towing a Scamp 13 ft. No air conditioner or holding tanks with an Escape V6 (2005) the camper tucks in behind the Escape and tows like a dream. Very aerodynamic and the weight is hardly noticeable when accelerating or driving.

Plenty of surplus power, I have to watch my speed or it will creep up toward 70 mph without me noticing. I tend to drive 62 mph highway and get 20+ mpg. Stop and go it drops to the upper teens. Saw that on a recent trip on M-59 here in Mich. Goes through several larger suburbs, lot of lights.

The one complaint I have is the brakes on the Escape seem too soft for my tastes, with the trailer I notice it more. Does not feel like I can stop as fast as I would like. Added trailer brakes and am guessing that will be the end of that issue.

Not sure if the Escape will commonly have a tow package, don't find instructions for Escape brake controller hookup to factory plug on E Trailer web site. If in the used market it is unlikely you will find that option. Tow package would generally be a pre-wired plug for a brake controller, trans cooler, fuse box location for trailer battery charge line, possibly larger amp alternator.

These are all things easily done after market. Alternator being the only one that may require dealer to confirm what model will fit correctly.

On the smaller receiver, those hitches as I recall use a solid bar rather than a tube, works fine for the Scamp when we used a loaner vehicle that had one. Since you will need a draw bar with a drop, and the smaller draw bar is a little less common in stock (at least at our local stores) you may end up having to order one that puts the ball at the right height, but that is no big deal. Can order right in the store at a lot of places. They have them they just don't sell as many so they carry less stock.

I know the Escape has gone through some re-designs since 2005, it has a lower profile body style if nothing else. Not sure of other changes but figured our experience might help if looking for used Escape.
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Towing a Scamp 13 ft. No air conditioner or .
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Not sure if the Escape will commonly have a tow package, don't find instructions for Escape brake controller hookup to factory plug on E Trailer web site. If in the used market it is unlikely you will find that option. Tow package would generally be a pre-wired plug for a brake controller, trans cooler, fuse box location for trailer battery charge line, possibly larger amp alternator..
You describe a tow package more common for a full sized pick-up.
Fact is, on smaller vehicles it will more likely be a 4-plug and maybe an oil cooler.


On the Escape before 2012 , you got a 4-plug and a tranny cooler and a classII hitch. Battery charge and electric brakes and anything else will be aftermarket.
In order to add towing to one without the package, an interface box must be added for DOT trailer lighting.
All Escapes (package or not) come with a 150A alternator.

The new Escape towing package comes with an ABS related anti sway program for those who want the Greyhound approach to driving!
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Old 11-17-2014, 05:40 PM   #22
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..... In order to add towing to one without the package, an interface box must be added for DOT trailer lighting. ....
I forgot that piece, which is surprising since the one I replaced this summer is sitting next to my desk on a file cabinet.

The "smart" wires and/or combined circuits of many cars tail lights has to be converted for trailer use. I think that would be the interface box Floyd mentions.

My old one has inputs labeled left turn/stop and right turn/stop, because the vehicle uses one wire for each side turn/stop lights. The outputs are separated into left turn, right turn and stop wire.

All I can say is it pays to have this properly installed with good connections (not piercing clips) and using a good quality converting box. When mine failed it disabled the brake lights for the vehicle. Contacts and wire corroded from the poor job done connecting it.
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I forgot that piece, which is surprising since the one I replaced this summer is sitting next to my desk on a file cabinet.

The "smart" wires and/or combined circuits of many cars tail lights has to be converted for trailer use. I think that would be the interface box Floyd mentions.

My old one has inputs labeled left turn/stop and right turn/stop, because the vehicle uses one wire for each side turn/stop lights. The outputs are separated into left turn, right turn and stop wire.

All I can say is it pays to have this properly installed with good connections (not piercing clips) and using a good quality converting box. When mine failed it disabled the brake lights for the vehicle. Contacts and wire corroded from the poor job done connecting it.
I would have to remove my taillight to see the brand, but I finally found a good one which is twice as strong as the first two I bought.
It uses no scotchlocks or wiring cutting. You simply supply one power line from the battery, then the rest is plug and play.
I'll try to look tomorrow.
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Another option would be the new Jeep Cherokee V6 with towing package.. 4500 lbs, oil and transmission cooler, heavy duty alternator and dual 7/4 wiring harness

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If you check Consumer Reports you might not want the low rated "Jeep" products. It is your money spend it wisely!

Every Jeep product I owned was one problem after another...all small stuff but a real pain spending my time at the dealer service department getting bandaids put on all those little problems....it drove me crazy.
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Hmmm 2014 Canadian SUV of the year.. Some people get good ones others not so lucky.. Escapes are selling in great numbers despite numerous recalls.. Both are good vehicles for small fiberglass rvs

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Hmmm 2014 Canadian SUV of the year.. Some people get good ones others not so lucky.. Escapes are selling in great numbers despite numerous recalls.. Both are good vehicles for small fiberglass rvs

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The OP expressed an interest in a used Escape. The previous generation Escape has had only one minor recall of which I am aware. Haven't bothered to respond just yet.
My Ranger had a recall 12 years ago, some day I might even take IT in!
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For what it's worth I do own the 2014 Jeep and almost a year later I feel it was money spent wisely. In fact the vehicle it replaced was our 2008 Ford Escape which was the most unreliable vehicle I had ever owned (yes I did buy it new). I am still a big fan of Ford. I love my Mustang as much as I do the Cherokee!
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