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Old 03-31-2012, 03:06 PM   #29
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All I've got to say about this is... a Grand Cherokee with a diesel?
It is coming most likely by 2013, but no date yet. The bad news it could be optioned at $40K minimum. Hopefully Fiat/Chrysler learned on their mistake of not good enough gas mileage of Fiat 500 and will bring high gas mileage Grand Cherokee tuned for fuel mileage not for lots of Power.
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Old 03-31-2012, 03:23 PM   #30
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My Sprinter regularly get me 25-27 around town and towing seems to drop to about 22 in the limited testing I have done.

Mine is the T1N and the "Baby" size so take that for what it is worth.
I am very satisfied with it considering it is 6500lbs just for the Sprinter with my typical workday junk and then it seems to tow the 17' Casita without issue so far.

I am thinking of driving it to the Fish Fry this year to see how it does on a little longer journey and the extra space for junk will be nice too!
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Old 03-31-2012, 03:47 PM   #31
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Just remember that Chrysler has an ironclad contract with Cummins that is VERY specific is stating that Cummins engines cannot appear in ANY other make of light truck sold in any market where the Dodge Rams are sold
I wondered about that.
To me it would make more sense for Nissan to simply use the diesel engines they are already using in other markets. It's my understanding that the V6 was developed by, and is possibly manufactured by Renault. I don't know about the four cyl.

Norm....yes, you are spoiled by Honda ! LOL ..... everybody that owns a Honda typically gets spoiled by them. I've had six Honda cars and eight Honda motorcycles since 1971. All good.

As far as "extra maintenance" on a diesel, I'm going to say something here that is probably controversial, but I'll say it anyway: anything with a turbo ( gas or diesel ) is very likely going to have the added cost of replacing a turbo if you keep it "long term". Turbos are typically a problem child. And that is true whether talking about cars or class 8 trucks. The fact is a turbo leads a hard life, so they are just not very reliable. Figure at best, somewhere between 100K and 200K miles, you'll have that expense. It can be rather costly.

Now then....before all the turbocharger fanboys jump down my throat....save it....sorry, I don't wanna hear it. Talk to guys that work on this stuff. My son's best friend is a mechanic here at the Detroit/Allison shop....so I've talked to him about it, and a friend of mine is an engineer in charge of warranty issues for Kenworth. He and I have discussed it as well.

My personal experience with it has been a failed turbo on the F-350 powerstroke.....but I'll call it a fluke failure since it happened at just 28K miles. Ford covered it under warranty.

Bottom line is, I think some folks buy diesels thinking it's a huge advantage from an operational cost standpoint, but they don't always factor in all the variables. Norm sounds like the kind of guy that does a lot of homework before he writes a check, so I suspect he has considered all of this.
I have to admit I kinda like a diesel.....in spite of it's shortcomings, there are undeniable advantages. When you stand on the loud pedal, the turbo spools up and it starts moving....it's a pretty cool thing......

....on the other hand, my gas powered Frontier with the little 3800 pound camper hooked to it, pulls along fine too. Decisions, decisions....
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I should have mentioned that a VW includes 3 years of service.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:42 PM   #33
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Gas and diesel engine complexity is going up.

Some statistics could shed a better light on turbo life vs. personal or friends experiences. My truck 7.3l had to have the original turbo replace in the first 1000 miles but I would consider it as just an infancy fluke. If you search for “diesel turbo life expectancy” not much surfaces.

This is TDI data: Turbo Life Expectancy - TDIClub Forums

International claims B10 life expectancy at 200,000 miles and B50 at 350,000 miles for T444 engine which is Ford’s 7.3l. (B10 means 90% survival rate and B50 50% survival rate) International T 444E Specifications

This is interesting analysis comparing 7.3l to human life.
Life Expectancy Curves... Human vs Stock 7.3L - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

I don’t think diesels are flawless; complexity of direct injection is very high. Use of piezo vs. solenoid injector actuation, operating at over 20,000 PSI with possibility of controlling either the valve stroke or number of injection per firing cycle is very complex, expensive to make and very expensive to diagnose and repair.

Gas engine are getting complex as well, direct injection (DI) into firing chamber is not trivial and is more expensive than indirect injection due to higher pressures. There are reports of carbon buildups on intake valves using this DI technology which is still very new. I am certain that engineers will solve gas DI problems. My point is that engine technologies are not getting simpler and picking on turbo which is really mature could be unfair for diesel engines.

We all have particular issues which tend to be predominant during purchasing decision, I have problem with timing belts, others with turbo.

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Tow Package Ford Escape

Floyd do you have Ford's tow package for your Escape? What does it consist of?

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Old 07-09-2012, 10:24 AM   #35
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Ford and Fiat

After selling our trailer and the overkill F350 PSD I am watching like a hawk what is coming to the market and regarding big or small van it it a good news, but, I have seen good news before.

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...-gets-makeover

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Floyd do you have Ford's tow package for your Escape? What does it consist of?

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Ford did not offer a factory tow package for the Escape when equipped with a manual transmission.(dealer installed option only)
The V6 (automatic only) offered a tow package with a 3500lb rating which consisted of a Class II hitch, a 4plug, and trans cooler. Of course, you can't tow above 3000# legally in most states without adding an electric brake controller(or surge brakes). The Escape(like most of it's competitors) does not offer a factory controller.The chassis and suspension components on all 2008 Escapes are the same regardless of drive line choice.


My Escape towing package includes a Class III hitch(on the Ford mounting points), A trailer lighting package, trailer battery charge capability, Prodigy electric brake controller,upgraded tires and brake pads. also an extended mirror. The car already has more than adequate cooling and charging systems.


NOTE: 2012 marks the last year for the current Escape. The 2013 Escape is a whole new car which offers several 4CYL options(no V6) and sadly no manual trans. There will still be a 3500lb tow rating available though.(2.0L Eco-boost)
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After selling our trailer and the overkill F350 PSD I am watching like a hawk what is coming to the market and regarding big or small van it it a good news, but, I have seen good news before.

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...-gets-makeover

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The grille on that Nissan makes it look more like a Ford than most Fords do......
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The grille on that Nisan makes it look more like a Ford than most Fords do......
Ha ! ...yes, you're right Dave.

It's going to be interesting to watch the sales of the Nissan. It's not going to be high mpg vehicle. They are putting either the V6 from my Frontier in it, or the 5.6 V8 from the Titan. The 4.0 V6 gets "pretty good" mileage, but not what I would call "great fuel econ". It's tuned more for power and torque than it is for outright fuel economy.

The 5.6 Titan V8 likes fuel. You won't find many Titan owners that brag about their fuel economy !

The Nissan van can be had though with seating for 15, and IIRC, a tow cap of close to 9K pounds. It might appeal to folks that have a whole herd of kids and a pretty good sized travel trailer. Budget plenty of $$ for gas though.....

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I wish that Ford would bring the new Ranger to North America with its two different diesel offerings. The 3.2 liter diesel can carry 3,368 pounds, and as a tow rating of 7,385 pounds. They also offer a 2.2 liter diesel, but not sure of its capacities. I just read a review on the 3.2.
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I would love a Legacy Outback Diesel, the car form factor (Do not like tall vehicles) with the wagon's room, high ground clearance and rough road capability of the Outback package and a efficient diesel??? Perfection.

But I do love a good Mazda, the SkyActive engines are supposedly amazing. A 54MPG CX-5 does look mighty interesting!

http://www.slashgear.com/mazda-cx-5-review-26230122/
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According to the stats on this site, there are 20,138 members.

There are about 400,000,000 people in North America

That means that about 5 one-thousandths of one percent of the pop is on this site.

Lets say that this site represents one out of every 10 glass trailer owners (I'm speculating - bear with me)

So that'd mean that 5 hundredths of one percent of the pop is into small light glass trailers.

So: Given how diesels have been marketed and how they are perceived in N Am what are the numbers of folks who'd buy a diesel for fuel economy vs how many would buy it for the sheer torque and power?

How many think that if Frod or Fiat/Mopar or Nissan or... or... or... bring a diesel pickup or van or SUV to N.Am that it will be set up to get economy? How many folks would buy a Jeep for economy vs buying it for the perceived off-road capabilities and therefore the ability to LOOK LIKE you are a ruff 'n' tuff off-roader.


I figure that the 5 one hundredths of one percent may be a bit low, but maybe 5 tenths of one percent might be interested in buying one (IF it is promoted properly and IF diesels lose a lot of their stigma as slow, smelly & noisy beasts)

So of 400 million people, and one in 5 is a car/vehicle owner (8 million) and .05% of THAT many (40,000) represents the number who may actually be interested in buying one and of THAT number, how many will buy one in any given year?

Now if you owned the company, would you spend a kazillion bux on a product to chase THAT market segment?

Or would you develop a diesel that is seen to make heaps of torque and power and then offer it it in a light - to - medium duty truck for pulling 30 foot stickies?

Is your company thinking of importing an existing one sold in Europe??

Great! Lets do all the crash tests, all the smog tests, and do all the other stuff needed to get it certified here, so we can market it to the "350 people a year" who might want to buy one.

I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see diesels which are set up for economy in small truck/vans/SUVs being enough of a market segment for companies to chase.

According to some stats I saw on LARGE pickups- what Floyd calls "megatrucks" - 8 out of 10 full size dodges are ordered with the Cummins, (it has built a 20 year reputation as a monster torque puller!), 5 out of 10 Fords are ordered with Diesels, and 3 out of 10 big GM trucks (after GM ruined their own chances by producing such horrible diesels prior to their partnership with Isuzu) All are ordered for POWER not economy (even though my Duramax gets better fuel economy than my Toyota 4 runner - THAT is never mentioned in any ads!)
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I hope you are wrong, on other hand my daughter remembers well the GM diesel disaster in seventies, she has nightmares about it and she is 30 years old. You should work for an automotive press, they have a lot of "but, but..." about diesel.

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