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Old 06-09-2013, 08:57 PM   #29
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I am pretty happy with towing with the Outback actually was surprised when I first started towing with it as to how stable it is. Been towing with it for 6 years with no problems. Only down side to it is the low tongue weight cap which I need to fudge a bit over to get my set up right. Although a pull one of the lighter 16' found here I personally think the Outback is better suited to a 13'.
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: ) I'm going through some older posts in areas of interest & thought i'd add our rig's set up. Some of you know we tow with a full size 2010 chevy AWD 1/2 ton van (image link) with a light ~600lb "WESTY" style interior build including the high roof (image link). This particular version of van has chevy's full-time transfer case that employs a center differential with viscous limited slip with a locking rear dif option installed. We are towing a Parkliner (2013 was 1st season) and have had no issues getting into/out-of the forestry camps we frequent with muddy roads, small inclines, etc.

I realize for many the idea of towing such a light (~2500 loaded) trailer with such a beast (5.4L v8 full size van) might be overkill, though i will add this can give one the additional living space that some might be looking for in a rig combination. Our real world millage only goes down ~1.5 to 2 mpg when towing and the van still has plenty of get-up-and-go to pass going up a mountain pass highway. Typically we see ~16mpg towing on the highway which we are fine with since in effect it is a two bedroom articulated motorhome

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Well, I am the one that started this thread, and while we just bought a new 4wd Escape with the ecoboost 2L motor (and 240hp) and a tow capacity of 3500#s for the little woman, I just bought a "loaded" 2001 Ford F-150 XLT Super Cab 4wd with a 4.6L small V-8 and 5600# tow capacity. The truck only had 94,000 miles on it, was always garaged, nary a ding, never plowed and never towed a thing. The tow thing is gonna change...

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Old 09-25-2013, 12:43 PM   #32
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Boy, we have the same '08 Outback as you guys, and it has a tow capacity of like 2700#s, vs. my '09 4 cyl standard shift GMC Canyon with a tow capacity of 2100#s. We tried pulling our Sunline T-1550 with the Outback once, and never again. We tow it with the truck now, and the truck handles it much better, even though we're over the tow capacity! Maybe the Outback would tow a streamlined egg with less problem. We're looking to trade the truck in on a tow vehicle with larger tow capacity, and keep the Outback a few more years.

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Frank, You implied the Subaru had difficulty towing your Sunline 1550. We towed a Sunline 1550 for two years with our Honda CRV including a cross Labrador trip and two loops of the USA. The Labrador part was the toughest because it was mostly gravel with many 10% grades. Though we have only 'when needed 4 wheel drive', we never had a problem towing the Sunline though our mpgs were less than when towing a fiberglass trailer.

Though you did not define the trouble(s), it would be interesting and instructive to know the problems you had towing with your Subaru.

I also find it interesting in that it seems you've decided against the Escape as a tow vehicle. Is there a reason for this?
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The difficulty pulling with the Outback was just that; in a word, difficult! I believe it was a frontal area problem. No problem with it pulling our classic boat at all, but that baby is streamlined and low.

We fully plan on towing with the Escape. Why did you think otherwise? We may pull it with my "new" old truck, but I needed the truck for a number of reasons. The GMC had no power anything. The only options on it were a factory tow package and locking differential. This may sound stupid, but my right shoulder is so damaged I cannot reach across the truck to roll or unroll the window anymore. So I debated keeping the truck and for about $300 and a weekend could have installed power windows. The 4 cylinder was so underpowered I decided to get a larger truck again, like all the trucks I've had over the last 40 years. The Canyon was the 1st small truck I ever owned. Also, because of continuing back problems, I wanted an automatic, so when we sold the Subaru, I took that $, paid off the GMC so we can sell it free of lien, and bought this F-150 with cash so we don't have a payment anymore for my truck. That's a good thing for a number of reasons including the extra gas the F-150 consume.

We still expect to buy a new ParkLiner and tow it with the Escape on long trips. We may use the F-150 for it too, and may end up using it exclusively. We'll just see what happens. The F-150 is very roomy, can easily fit 6 people, or Gail & me, Buckley the schnoodle, and a bunch of other stuff no problem. It is in near mint condition. I lucked out really.



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Wishing you well with both your truck and Escape.
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I suspect something that needs to be kept in mine is that people who have towed with the a number of different vehicles and other types of equipment whether it be boats, TT trailers or horse trailers over the years tend to develop a personal sense of what a solid tow vs a marginal tow feels like. Someone whose towing experience consists of having towed with only one vehicle in their time even if with different types of trailers, may feel very differently about the suitability of their tug and tow combo than the party who has towed with a number of different vehicles & equipment combos over the years.
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Nothing against a "personal sense of what a solid tow feels like", I was just looking for a definitive response, seeking to learn from the experience of others since it is unlikely another brand of tow vehicle is in our future.
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High h/p, high MPG, late model vehicles don't always also have the high torque needed for towing. Look at both hp & torque, and at what RPM they peak, if you are going to buy to tow.

BTW: "the little woman", I though that was the name of a book.... certainly never a referral to anyone in my family.
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I look at reliability (we buy for 10 years), adequate hp/torque and good mileage and since it's our only vehicle, something that's a good daily drive.
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The difficulty pulling with the Outback was just that; in a word, difficult! I believe it was a frontal area problem. No problem with it pulling our classic boat at all, but that baby is streamlined and low.

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Hi Frank. Looks like you are saying the outback was not powerful enough. Is that primarily your gripe with towing the Sunline?

Years ago we had a lady walk up to us at this site in Algonquin park. She asked if we were towing our Airstream with the Nissan Quest. We said yes and it worked fine. She couldn't believe it. She then told us they tried to tow a very small pop up with their Quest (same model and year as ours) but it just didn't work. She said they had the vehicle into the shop but they had no solutions. I would hazard a guess their van had a drivetrain defect robbing then of power????
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Hi Frank. Looks like you are saying the outback was not powerful enough. Is that primarily your gripe with towing the Sunline?

Years ago we had a lady walk up to us at this site in Algonquin park. She asked if we were towing our Airstream with the Nissan Quest. We said yes and it worked fine. She couldn't believe it. She then told us they tried to tow a very small pop up with their Quest (same model and year as ours) but it just didn't work. She said they had the vehicle into the shop but they had no solutions. I would hazard a guess their van had a drivetrain defect robbing then of power????
As carol said, people have different definitions of "work fine" for towing. I can set my cruise on 75, and it will never drop from wichita to Minneapolis, and the transmission will only kick down once towing my fifth wheel. To me, that's working fine. Towing at 55, and dropping to 40 on hills is some people's definition of "works fine". I would be ripping my hair out and have a leg out the door trying to help it.
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HP vs. Torque

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I look at reliability (we buy for 10 years), adequate hp/torque and good mileage and since it's our only vehicle, something that's a good daily drive.
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I wasn't trying to minimize the importance of reliability, I was just trying to point out that 220 HP, while sounding like a lot, may not be enough if it peaks at 5000 RPM and max torque is only 120 ft.lbs. at 1800 RPM, neither being at useful RPM ranges for towing.

As the MPG's have gone up... torque values have dropped, resulting in a bigger hit on MPG's when towing. This may point to why it was easier to tow a lower profile boat than a trailer.
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As carol said, people have different definitions of "work fine" for towing. I can set my cruise on 75, and it will never drop from wichita to Minneapolis, and the transmission will only kick down once towing my fifth wheel. To me, that's working fine. Towing at 55, and dropping to 40 on hills is some people's definition of "works fine". I would be ripping my hair out and have a leg out the door trying to help it.
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Hmmmm....... Just don't try towing in the Golden State where the max speed for towed vehicles is 55 MPH. But.... I'm never in that much of a hurry anyway.
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