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Old 07-22-2008, 05:55 PM   #1
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This is a handy website - just plug in the weight of your trailer and it gives you all the vehicles that will tow it starting from that weight and going up from there. <a href="http://www.suvoa.com/towing_matrix.cfm" target="_blank">
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:20 AM   #2
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This is a handy website - just plug in the weight of your trailer and it gives you all the vehicles that will tow it starting from that weight and going up from there. <a href="http://www.suvoa.com/towing_matrix.cfm" target="_blank">
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Very cool website...lots of great info.

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Old 07-23-2008, 11:04 AM   #3
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Just be warned that if you enter a low weight for a trailer (like all our FG ones) the resulting page is LONG and crashed my browser the first time - Might just be Firefox though.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:10 AM   #4
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It did take a while to load in and i first tried pickup trucks and then tried cars in the 2000 lb range. I was surprised to see a few cars that where capable of towing that kind of weight.
Great site that i will save.
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Old 07-23-2008, 02:18 PM   #5
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It did take a while to load in and i first tried pickup trucks and then tried cars in the 2000 lb range. I was surprised to see a few cars that where capable of towing that kind of weight.
Great site that i will save.
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Could someone give me a reasonable estimate of what a fully loaded 17' Casita with all your typical necessities, might weigh in at?
Thanks!
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Old 07-23-2008, 06:11 PM   #6
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I am skeptical of their sources for specs.

My Jeep Liberty has a published tow rating by Jeep, in both their literature AND my owners manual of 5k lbs, equipped as this site says.

This site quotes only a 3500 lb rating.
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Old 07-23-2008, 06:17 PM   #7
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I am skeptical of their sources for specs.

My Jeep Liberty has a published tow rating by Jeep, in both their literature AND my owners manual of 5k lbs, equipped as this site says.

This site quotes only a 3500 lb rating.

Hi Gina,

Try it again - this time look carefully at the specs of the Liberty that is rated for 3500lbs, then continue to scroll down to the vehicles rated for 5000 lbs - I think you will find the Liberty listed there as well but with different specs such as a trailer towing package - or in the case of some other vehicles a different engine, transmission etc.
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The difference is a manual tranny and axle ratios. Mine is an auto with the 3.73 axle ratio. Didn't see that far down.

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Old 07-23-2008, 07:03 PM   #9
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Has anyone found info on Toyota Tundras? I couldn't find any mention of them.

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Old 07-23-2008, 08:05 PM   #10
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Could someone give me a reasonable estimate of what a fully loaded 17' Casita with all your typical necessities, might weigh in at?
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At the Oregon Gathering, I weighed 16 trailers, 6 of which were [b]17' Casitas (5 Spirits, 1 Liberty). They were each loaded by their owners for their style of camping.

The average of the weights of those 6 Casita 17' trailers is:

<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%">Axle = 2800 pounds
Hitch = 440 pounds
Total = 3240 pounds</span>
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:12 PM   #11
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Kurt, hasn't the Tundra been discontinued?

The list is for new vehicles, tho things like the Liberty haven't changed until this year.
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This is a handy website - just plug in the weight of your trailer and it gives you all the vehicles that will tow it starting from that weight and going up from there. <a href="http://www.suvoa.com/towing_matrix.cfm" target="_blank">
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Thanks for the site but remember that this is a PROMOTION site for SUVs.


In Holland, there is also a site which will give you VERY different answers since most people there tow with ordinary small cars with great success. *The only problem is you might have to choose a "close" car and a "generic" CARAVAN (all the way at the bottom of the drop down list) and plug in the relevant weights.

750 kg = *1650 lbs.

1000 kg = 2200 lbs.

1250 kg = 2750 lbs.

multiply kg by 2.2 to get pounds

The Dutch site assumes you have 250 kg (550 lbs)* loaded in the caravan*

For speeds 100 km/hr = 60 miles/hr

http://www.whattowcar.com/basic_index.php

WHAT TOW CAR

The site lets you compare two tow cars simultaneously.

For example, I have a 51 mpg VW Jetta (90hp) TDI Diesel with a 5 speed. *I also have a Volvo 940 (114 hp) with a 4 speed automatic. *The Dutch site says that the VW is about equal to the Volvo for most towing.

The SUV PROMOTION site says I really can't tow anything with the VW Jetta (0 pounds) and very little with the Volvo (3300 lbs.)

So, I would check out both sites!



Peace,

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Here is the very detailed VW Jetta TDI report.*


Towing Report*

Volkswagen and Caravan
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The towing capability for the Volkswagen Jetta - 1.9 TDI
with a Caravan 1000 kg: *
*

Volkswagen Jetta - 1.9 TDI (77 kW/103 bhp)*
Date of manufacture: september 2005 - up to now

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loaded caravan1250 kg

kerbweight of tow car 1445 kg*
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The match between car and caravan is perfect in accordance with a mix of European standards. However, according to the British Towing Code the percentage (loaded caravan / kerbweight tow car) is 87%.

The towing performances of this Volkswagen with your Caravan are good (performance index = 89 km/h or 55 mph).

You may expect more than adequate performances from this outfit. On flat roads you can come along provided you've selected the right gear, in which case top gear is applicable under favourable circumstances.*

On motorway inclines you will be able to come along quite nicely. On steep roads you have more than sufficient power to keep going. On hill starts there will be sufficient power to get going, provided the wheels have traction.*
*
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good performance on a* 15% incline
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More in detail
Possible top speeds *
*
Possible top speed in windless conditions and head wind force 3*
Top speed in 3rd gear is 110 km/h (68 mph) and in head wind it will be 104 km/h (65 mph).*
Top speed in 4th gear is 115 km/h (71 mph) and in head wind it will be 103 km/h (64 mph).*
Top speed in 5th gear is 104 km/h (65 mph) and in head wind it will be 89 km/h (55 mph).*
*
Top speed or speed at 3200 rpm (= 80% of max. power revolution)*
Speed in 1st gear is 29 km/h and in head wind (force 3) it will be 29 km/h.*
Speed in 2nd gear is 53 km/h and in head wind (force 3) it will be 53 km/h.*
Speed in 3rd gear is 81 km/h and in head wind (force 3) it will be 81 km/h.*
Speed in 4th gear is 112 km/h and in head wind (force 3) it will be 103 km/h.*
Speed in 5th gear is 104 km/h and in head wind (force 3) it will be 89 km/h.*
*


Acceleration and take over *
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Acceleration*
0 - 80 km/h (0 - 50 mph) with caravan in 16.5 sec. (solo: 8.6 sec.)*
0 - 100 km/h (0 - 62 mph) with caravan in 29.2 sec. (solo: 12.3 sec.)*
0 - 120 km/h (0 - 75 mph) with caravan in 29.5 sec. (solo: 18.1 sec.)*


Acceleration 70 - 90 km/h (44 - 56 mph) flexibility*
As fast as possible (through the gears) 8.5 sec.*
In 3rd gear 8.5 sec. Tractive power (pick-up) is fairly good.
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In 4th gear 13.2 sec. Tractive power (pick-up) is satisfactory.
*
In 5th gear 32.6 sec. Tractive power (pick-up) is bad.
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Usability 5th gear at 80 km/h (50 mph) *
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Power at 80 km/h in 5th gear (1740 rpm) 53 kW*
Power needed to drive 80 km/h 38 kW*
Acceleration 80-90 km/h in 5th gear 17.4 sec*
Maximum head wind in 5th gear at 80 km/h head wind force 3 (20 km/h)*
Maximum gradient in the 5th gear at 80 km/h 1%*


Minimum speed - at maximal torque - at 3200 rev - at max rev*
in the 1st gear 16 km/h - 17 km/h - 29 km/h - 40 km/h*
in the 2nd gear 30 km/h - 31 km/h - 53 km/h - 73 km/h *
in the 3th gear 45 km/h - 48 km/h - 81 km/h - 111 km/h*
in the 4th gear 63 km/h - 67 km/h - 112 km/h - 154 km/h*
in the 5th gear 83 km/h - 87 km/h - 147 km/h - 202 km/h*


Driving on motorway slopes *
*
Top speed on a gradient of 5% (1 to 20)*
In the 1st gear: 39 km/h (24 mph) at 4333 rpm and 29 km/h at 3200 rpm*
In the 2nd gear: 72 km/h (45 mph) at 4359 rpm and 53 km/h at 3200 rpm*
In the 3th gear: 89 km/h (55 mph) at 3531 rpm and 81 km/h at 3200 rpm*
The 4th gear isn't applicable at a gradient of 5% (1 to 20). *
The 5th gear isn't applicable at a gradient of 5% (1 to 20). *
*


Drive off uphill *
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Elevation Drive off uphill in the first gear *
0 m. 15.5% *
500 m. 15.2% *
1000 m. 14.9% *
1500 m. 14.5% *
2000 m. 14.2% *
2500 m. 13.9% *


Driving on steep roads *
*
*Top speed on a gradient of 12% (1 to 8) *
1st gear 39 km/h (24 mph) *
2nd gear 58 km/h (36 mph) *
3rd gear isn't applicable *
4th gear isn't applicable *
5th gear isn't applicable*


Elevation Drive at 20 km/h
(12 mph) in*
1st gear Drive at 40 km/h
(25 mph) in*
2nd gear*
0 m 32.6% 16.2%*
500 m 32.1% 16%*
1000 m 31.7% 15.8%*
1500 m 31.2% 15.5%*
2000 m 30.7% 15.3%*
2500 m 30.2% 15%*


Check data

Car make and model Volkswagen Jetta - 1.9 TDI*
Year of issue september 2005 - up to now*
Power 77 kW (103 bhp) at 4000 rpm*
Torque 250 Nm (184 lb/ft) at (or from) 1900 rpm*
Kerbweight (may differ in the UK) 1445 kg and 'ballasted' with 250 kg*
Tyres 205 / 55 R 16*
Transmission Manual (or automatic without torque converter)
5 speed*
Caravan Caravan 1000 kg*
Actual laden caravan weight 1250 kg (car towing limit is 1400 kg)*
The airflow is: average (height = 2.55 m and width = 2.30 m)*
Gross Train weight (car+caravan) 2945 kg*
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This program is developed by Bert Wijnen and Menno van der Heijden under auspices of the Dutch Caravan Club (NCC), colofon en disclaimer.*
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Old 07-26-2008, 05:05 PM   #13
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Using European tow ratings in the US is full of potential problems. Europeans accept towing with much lighter hitch weights than Americans, typically 4-7% of trailer weight, and rely on limited towing speeds (typical towing limits are 50 or 60mph) and driver attentiveness to cope with the lower speed at which snaking can start with these hitch weights.

US tow ratings may well be reduced compared to European ratings for the same vehicle because in the US the manufacturer would prefer to sell instead a larger and more profitable vehicle that is not offered in Europe. But there may also be some technical differences between the vehicles - softer springs and dampers seem common in US versions of vehicles as well as smaller brakes for some brands.

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There also seems to be a basic design difference between US and Euro trailers with respect to where the axle is located, which affects the tongue weight in pounds.

The longer the ball to axle distance is, the less the tongue weight (in pounds) will need to be to maintain the same leverage between egg and TV.
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