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Old 09-23-2013, 12:12 PM   #43
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So when your hitch guy says "yeah, you can use that", who reviews the decision and does the hitch place take any responsibility? I didn't think so...
One great way to find/work with a responsible hitch installer is to follow the current customer reviews. Here is one customer's (from Texas) positive comments.

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Old 09-23-2013, 01:07 PM   #44
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So mc1 or"W" are you saying that Andy Thomson of Can-Am is so responsible that they will take full responsibility and pay for any repairs that Subaru declines to cover under warranty as they feel the damage was the result of using equipment Can-Am installed that they do not recommend for use on their cars?

If so then thats one heck of a hitch shop! Wish I could find me one of those on this side of the country

Curious if anyone has a copy of the front and BACK of the service order for Can-Am that you are probable needing to sign (as you do at most hitch shops) before they start work on installing a hitch? if so it would be great if you were to scan and post it.
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So mc1 or"W" are you saying that ........
Just a happy CA customer here carol passing along the good experience.
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... are you saying that Andy Thomson of Can-Am is so responsible that they will take full responsibility and pay for any repairs that Subaru declines to cover under warranty as they feel the damage was the result of using equipment Can-Am installed that they do not recommend for use on their cars?

If so then thats one heck of a hitch shop! Wish I could find me one of those on this side of the country
On the side of the country which has real mountains (not the "Hamilton Mountain" that Andy has used as a climbing test) and 200 km stretches of uninterrupted high-speed roads? Not likely
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I once had to tow with a loaner TV. It was a Ford Explorer with a 1 inch reciever. I had a heck of a time finding an in-stock draw bar with enough drop for the scamp. There were just more choices for 2 inch.

Explorer probably had a good deal more towing capacity than my Escape. Hitch probably had same capacity (Class ll) as the hitch with 2 inch reciever on the Escape.

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You can get acceptable capacity in 1 inch or 2 inch draw bar. You may have to do a bit more hunting to find the bar or accessories you want, or order them but they are available, might not have as many choices to choose from but enough for most purposes.

If the manufacturer says "don't do it" don't matter much why. If you decide your gonna go ahead anyway it's your problem if it does not work out. Fry your AWD tranny, or warp your frame, well you were warned. Now it's live and learn time.

On professionals, people who do something for years, for a living in a shop with a good reputation for the quality of their work are good people to get advice from. Even a relative rookie if working with experienced people in the shop has the resources to give you a good job. Don't tell them what you want. Ask them what they recommend. If what they suggests conflicts with the manufacturers "don't" then look elsewhere for an installer or mechanic unless they give you a darn good reason and the shop provides a written guarantee to stand behind any and all consequences (good luck with that).

What I'm really saying is listen (respectfully) to the reason for blowing off the manufacutures recommendation because it could be interesting, then leave.
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It was a Ford Explorer with a 1 inch reciever...
1.25" (or 1 1/4"), not 1".. but I think most of us knew you meant that, Roger.

In at least some years, Ford put a 1.25" receiver on an Explorer or Sport Trac without the towing package, and a 2" receiver on the same models with the towing package. It would have been cheaper for them to just put the 2" in all of them. I think the difference was a hint to buyers: if you want to tow much, get the equipment. This thread's subject Subaru is fine with the 1.25", but with SUVs and trucks people would try to hook up 5000 pound trailers if you made it easy for them...
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What I'm really saying is listen (respectfully) to the reason for blowing off the manufacutures recommendation because it could be interesting, then leave.
A good post Roger and yes there are many examples of manufacturers shortcomings.

Years ago I had U-Haul install a receiver on our 3 year old Nissan Van. After 30 min on the highway it just about fell off. They installed the receiver by the book using the 4 threaded frame inserts. The problem was the build up of rust in the threads had weakened the threads and the bolts stripped out.

Understanding the issues I modified the whole deal by drilling out the inserts and installed quality nuts and bolts to secure the hardware. Also added extra brackets to make 8 mounting points instead of the factory 4. The mods created a heavy duty assembly that worked fine for the next 13 years of towing.

Through years of experience the pro's understand the possible issues and make the necessary mods and adjustments. I like the fact they can see and deal with the bigger picture.
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There was an Escape 15 for sale on the site towed by a 2.5 L Subaru Outback. I contacted te owner about tongue weight, trailer weight and hitch setup. He told me that they had bought the trailer from Escape and that Escape installed a W/D system on their Subaru.

Found that interesting and surprising. He claimed the Escape 15 towed beautifuly.
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On the side of the country which has real mountains (not the "Hamilton Mountain" that Andy has used as a climbing test) and 200 km stretches of uninterrupted high-speed roads? Not likely
... and the truth is that Mr. T prefers to travel the more challenging destinations to give his combinations a vigorous workout.
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... and the truth is that Mr. T prefers to travel the more challenging destinations to give his combinations a vigorous workout.
Good. In dozens of magazine columns by this author I've seen no reference to towing west of Chicago, and Can Am's only business location is in southwestern Ontario.
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He told me that they had bought the trailer from Escape and that Escape installed a W/D system on their Subaru.

Found that interesting and surprising. He claimed the Escape 15 towed beautifuly.
Interesting and surprising? why? Pretty sure the WD component of the hitch system is on the pre order list from Escape. Its not the trailers manufactures responsibility to research and determine what a trailers buyers vehicle can or can not tow or what equipment the manual states should not be used, prior to the buyer placing an order for a trailer

As Escape does not install hitches on vehicles the buyer of the trailer had to have known prior that they wanted a trailer that had a higher tongue weight than what their cars specs were and had a class III hitch installed prior to pick up as you cant put a WD system that Escapes sells with the trailer, on a class II hitch which is normally found on the Outback. Its the trailer buyers responsibility to determine if their vehicle is spec'd to tow and in the case you sight the buyer obviously made the decision as to go for it regardless of what the vehicle's manual says or they would not have had a class III hitch on the vehicle when they went to pick up the trailer and have the WD system added onto it. They may not have even read the manual (how many times have we seen/heard that here) or they saw or read that someone else did it and decided it must be all good when it fact it may not be..... may be for a time ..... but then there may be at some point a big BANG and the reason for the vehicle manufacture not recommending it becomes crystal clear.
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Good. In dozens of magazine columns by this author I've seen no reference to towing west of Chicago, and Can Am's only business location is in southwestern Ontario.
Brian... sorry you missed the many articles and reports of Mr. T travels. From what I have read he travels a lot towing his rigs all over North America apparently crossing the Continent many, many times.

One article he talks of towing on all the longest grades and passes in NA numerous times, not to mention the feedback he has received from 1,000's of his customers towing his setups 1,000,000 of miles. Sure his location is in SWO but he supports towing enthusiasts from all locations.

If you are interested in reading more of his travels do a search of his posts on Airforums.com. His handle there is "Andrew T"........ here.... http://www.airforums.com/forums/memb...w+t-23316.html
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Carol,

I was surprised because I feel that trailer manufacturers are more knowledgeable than trailer customers.
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I was surprised because I feel that trailer manufacturers are more knowledgeable than trailer customers.
Probable true but as I said do you honestly think that a company such as Scamp or Casita or Escape or any other is going to checking and reading the manual on all their customers vehicles prior to taking an order for a trailer from that customer? It may simple be that a customer says to the trailer manufacture that they are concerned that the trailers tongue weight exceeds their vehicles specs or close to it... trailer manufacture suggests a WDH might resolve that issue. It is very possible the customer was told to check their vehicles manual when the recommendation was made .... we dont know that part of the story.... Sometimes people only hear what they really want to hear.

At the end of the day as you of all people know its the owner of the vehicles responsibility to decide what equipment or trailer will work for them or not. I can only imagine the discussion for example that would take place between yourself and Scamp for example if you had bought your trailer new and the sales party was to suggest to you that you cant order that trailer as its a 1000 lbs over your vehicle's tow specs
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