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Old 09-24-2013, 02:09 PM   #57
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Heck Carol, I know a person towing with a Subaru Outback that has done it for years and is always over the Subaru specification.
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Old 09-24-2013, 03:18 PM   #58
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Yup so true but if your referring to me, all I can say to that is that my trailer loaded is under the total towing capacity. But the tongue weight is up to 20 to 40 lbs over spec on the tongue. Needs to be that for a solid tow as I dont believe in using a sway bar as a means of correcting a daily sway problem I know I would have (tested it out in a controlled situation) if I went lighter on the tongue. Prefer to use a sway bar as an emergency situation only device not as a fix to a problem.

Have I had no problems? Nope. Have had to do repairs and replace parts over the last year or so on a car that only has 70,000 miles (30,000 miles of that have been towing)- repairs & replacements that were never required on any of the previous 3 Outbacks owned with the same mileage and no towing. Each time I ask the independent service guys who work on the car why such and such a part is needing replacing when it didn't on my last Outback. They look at me with an evil smile and say "Tell me again, what the trailer weighs your pulling and over what mountain did you pull it last week and how fast where you going, how hot was it out and how many miles have you logged towing?"

Its also the reason for my suggesting the OP and anyone else who asked me about towing with the Outback in the last couple of years, is that they stick with a 13' trailer with the Outback

My Outback is very shortly going to be retired from towing and become the daily commuter vehicle for my partner and for driving to the ski hill for races only for me.

Sorry got to run have an appointment to take a test drive in a gently used truck with way more towing capacity & designed to actually tow a trailer of the size I own and maybe even my future slightly bigger trailer. And its MPG is about the same as my Outback!
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Old 09-24-2013, 04:52 PM   #59
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Sorry got to run have an appointment to take a test drive in a gently used truck with way more towing capacity & designed to actually tow a trailer of the size I own and maybe even my future slightly bigger trailer. And its MPG is about the same as my Outback!
Interesting. Just wondering if the problems of your vehicle were related to the towing or for other reasons???. I think it is common for auto service techs to want to blame out side situations for the problems with the cars, if they can get away with it.

We have over 200 hours of towing on our 11 year old car. As you know it is towing many times the tow rating. It has no tow pkg. The only drive train issue was a $150. wheel bearing.

Since we both tow with cars I will pass along a talk I once had with a well known towing guru.
I asked him about towing related problems when using a car. He said he has feedback from 1,000's of his customers. He said over all the trucks have more problems than the cars and the problems the trucks have are more expensive to fix.
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Old 09-24-2013, 05:10 PM   #60
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W, I forgot what vehicle you tow with and what size Airstream you tow, please remind me.

Like you, we have successfully towed with a small non-truck vehicle, our Honda CRV, without any issues outside of a thermostat and a fan, not bad for 200,000 miles.

It's unfortunate that there is a strong element on this site that discourages newbies. I know people who have purchased new tow vehicles or smaller trailers because of their views.

Fear, particularly in today's society, is easy to create since it underlies much of today's media.
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Old 09-24-2013, 05:36 PM   #61
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Fear, particularly in today's society, is easy to create since it underlies much of today's media.
Right, plus some people get their kicks instilling fear in others.
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:18 AM   #62
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Its equally unfortunate that there are less than a handful of folks here who regardless of the fact they don't tow & never have towed with the OP's vehicle &/or the trailer make they are considering feel those that have are discouraging or creating fear in a newbie for sharing their experience and opinion on towing with the said vehicle and or combo of vehicle and trailer.

So be it. At least the OP can't later say no one warned them.
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Old 09-25-2013, 03:33 PM   #63
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Agreed. I was looking for a small scamp to pull with my subaru. Luckily, I made a trip with a small flatbed trailer first and hit high wind in a storm with it. That right there made me decide I did not want to use mine for a camper. I've driven semis, and things that make people here freak out, and I just don't think I would be comfortable with it. Then I figured if I was using the pickup anyway, I might as well go "big", similar got the fifth wheel.
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W, I forgot what vehicle you tow with and what size Airstream you tow, please remind me.

Like you, we have successfully towed with a small non-truck vehicle, our Honda CRV, without any issues outside of a thermostat and a fan, not bad for 200,000 miles.

It's unfortunate that there is a strong element on this site that discourages newbies. I know people who have purchased new tow vehicles or smaller trailers because of their views.

Fear, particularly in today's society, is easy to create since it underlies much of today's media.
Norm... For the last 7 years we have been towing with a CA pro set up Infiniti G35. Very stable, quiet, and a strong performer with or without the trailer in tow. Here post #60.... http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...-105356-5.html
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.........What would be the advantages of a Class III for me, if I would not be upgrading to a heavier trailer in the future.
None. Once you have the 2" opening, further capacity is of no help with your tow vehicle.
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Old 09-26-2013, 10:38 AM   #66
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It's unfortunate that there is a strong element on this site that discourages newbies. I know people who have purchased new tow vehicles or smaller trailers because of their views.

Fear, particularly in today's society, is easy to create since it underlies much of today's media.
In IT we call it FUD it stands for Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. But I do think the newbies are well served by the information provided by the proponents for and against most choices they need to make.

Generally on this site both viewpoints are based on the individuals real world experiences and are valid data points to be considered by the OP. Norm has experiences that say you can push past the limits to some extent without problems, Carol has experiences that doing this can lead to more repairs than one might otherwise have.

Both are making true statements, both provide OP with more good information than they started with. If I was OP I would want as much of that as I could get.

One does not want to purchase camper too small to meet needs or over purchase TV.

Sounds to me like OP could purchase a 16 ft and tow with Outback but may want to plan on something with a bit more tow capacity as a TV at a future date if they find themselves doing a lot of towing.
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Sounds to me like OP could purchase a 16 ft and tow with Outback but may want to plan on something with a bit more tow capacity as a TV at a future date if they find themselves doing a lot of towing.
RodgerDat thats a pretty good summery of the situation.
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I see some people promoting ignoring towing specifications of tow vehicles. This can be dangerous, not in itself necessarily. Most if not all incidents, crashes, bear attacks, hikers lost, etc. are caused not by single thing, but by several stacked up against the person involved. Without knowing how an person drives and how much attention they pay to the other towing dynamics you know don't have any idea how much risk is being promoted.

The trailer industry and here demographics (for lack of a better word) has been changing. We now have lots of people with small children indicating a lower age group joining our ranks. Many have never towed a trailer. They turn to here for answers. When they are given answers that go against published limits, there can be a tendency to not believe other published limits.

For safety sake it's always best to stay within the published limits and as a group that provides answers and advice it always best to advise to stay within the published limits.
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I see some people promoting ignoring towing specifications of tow vehicles........ .
I think this is a misrepresentation of the discussion. But I agree, if you don't know what you are doing you should go with a larger, more forgiving vehicle.

Conversely, until someone shows me the results of a SAE J2807 test for a particular vehicle, it is reasonable to believe that the towing limit was not set using the new standard, but rather set to meet other objectives including warranty and liability reduction, or to encourage the purchase of more profitable vehicles.

* Repeat, if you are unsure of your towing abilities go with a larger tow vehicle. *
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