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Old 07-15-2018, 01:46 PM   #15
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👍👍 You can easily find a 1/2 ton that can handle that trailer without going to diesel. My preference is Ford but GM and Ram have pretty good contenders. Just make sure the payload (and add in the lawn chairs, cooler and maybe a screen room in case you grow out of the minimalist stage) as well as the tow ratings meet your demands. Do the research because there are salesmen out there that would tell you that the Smart Car they are trying to sell you will do the job.
Minimalist means, well I'm not too sure what it means as we are already taking the items you mentioned above, I guess I'm going to have to not use that term minimalist in my postings.

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Old 07-15-2018, 02:06 PM   #16
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I would consider using an F150 if I got a 3.5EB motor with the max payload package. Depending on the options you pick, you can get F150s with 2,000 to even OVER 3,000 pound payloads. You are probably not going to find one on a dealer's lot, but if you order the truck, you can get one.

My F150 has a 1500 pound payload. But then I added side steps, a camper top, spray in Bedliner, all come out of that 1500 pounds. The margin for error, with two passengers, our dog, stuff in the cab of the truck, stuff in the bed of the truck, and even the weight of the receiver hitch, and that payload drops a lot. Then subtract tongue weight, and it would be negative on the big Oliver. Again, if I had a F150 with fewer options, and the max payload package, I would be well within the specs.

Spec'd carefully, the new F150s rival older F350s in tow rating and payload. Hard to believe, but a new F150 3.5 EB max tow set up has a higher tow rating than a 2002 F350 dually with a diesel motor.

Now whether it performs as well or better in the real world, I have no idea.
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:57 PM   #17
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I would consider using an F150 if I got a 3.5EB motor with the max payload package. Depending on the options you pick, you can get F150s with 2,000 to even OVER 3,000 pound payloads. You are probably not going to find one on a dealer's lot, but if you order the truck, you can get one.

My F150 has a 1500 pound payload. But then I added side steps, a camper top, spray in Bedliner, all come out of that 1500 pounds. The margin for error, with two passengers, our dog, stuff in the cab of the truck, stuff in the bed of the truck, and even the weight of the receiver hitch, and that payload drops a lot. Then subtract tongue weight, and it would be negative on the big Oliver. Again, if I had a F150 with fewer options, and the max payload package, I would be well within the specs.

Spec'd carefully, the new F150s rival older F350s in tow rating and payload. Hard to believe, but a new F150 3.5 EB max tow set up has a higher tow rating than a 2002 F350 dually with a diesel motor.

Now whether it performs as well or better in the real world, I have no idea.
Bill have you priced a F150 with the optional max payload ,max towing package and 3.5 liter eco boost ?
Our local Ford dealership said if I wanted those options they had to order the vehicle and they could sell me a 3/4 ton truck off their lot for almost the same
price .

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Old 07-15-2018, 03:25 PM   #18
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You must have the G1 older Ridgeline, I had one a 2008 and the fuel mileage was not so good, in town around 14 and highway 19, pulling a trailer around 11-12 as you say. We pull a 2018 17' Casita with our new 2017 Ridgeline and just got back from Colorado last week and averaged 17.2 mpg. The new Ridgeline will get 21-22 in town and 25-26 highway without trailer, the new G2's get much better fuel mileage then older models.

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Trainman, that is very good news. I was thinking that it was time to get a new truck. I love my 2008 Honda Ridgeline, except for the gas mileage while towing. I love the comfort and drive (like a luxury car), love the built in trunk (so much of my camping gear stays there (do not have a big garage or other good storage at my home), because the Casita has almost no storage outside the trailer, love having 4WD (lots of sand in FL) and I love having the topper to protect all the other stuff we pack in there when camping.

I did not know what I was going to do about buying a new truck, but if you are right, I would buy another Ridgeline.

Can someone else please confirm that they have similarly had the positive mileage experience with a newer G2?????
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:03 PM   #19
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Trainman,

I searched the Internet and found only one test of towing mileage of a G2 Ridgeline. Before I read it, I was almost ready to buy a new G2 as my 2008 G1 is getting a little beat up.

However, that test towed a narrow horse trailer with a rounded front like a Casita... I wish I had saved the link.

The bad news is that it got only 11.8 MPG.

Now the test said something like they drove on the highway loop typically at 70 MPH. So now I am wondering....are you perhaps one of those Casita owners who tow at 55 MPH, if so, that might explain your good mileage.

Me, I like to drive between 65 to 70 to at least drive at the speed limit on the Interstate.

Please reply and let us know your typical towing speed.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:18 PM   #20
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Trainman,

I searched the Internet and found only one test of towing mileage of a G2 Ridgeline. Before I read it, I was almost ready to buy a new G2 as my 2008 G1 is getting a little beat up.

However, that test towed a narrow horse trailer with a rounded front like a Casita... I wish I had saved the link.

The bad news is that it got only 11.8 MPG.

Now the test said something like they drove on the highway loop typically at 70 MPH. So now I am wondering....are you perhaps one of those Casita owners who tow at 55 MPH, if so, that might explain your good mileage.

Me, I like to drive between 65 to 70 to at least drive at the speed limit on the Interstate.

Please reply and let us know your typical towing speed.
I think if you watch the video you are speaking about, you will find the trailer and cargo was 4800+pounds and it was on the highway going toward the Continental Divide to the Eisenhower Tunnel, it is 8 miles at a 7% grade. You might go to the Honda Ridgeline Forum where much is talked about trailer pulling and fuel mileage. Honda Ridgeline Owners Club Forums

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Old 07-15-2018, 04:21 PM   #21
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Thanks, Trainman:

However, could you still please reply giving your typical towing speed for the mileage figures you gave??
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:22 PM   #22
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Thanks, Trainman:

However, could you still please reply giving your typical towing speed for the mileage figures you gave??
We try to maintain 65 mph when towing the Casita, at times we may creep up to 70 and then down to 60, but that's probably because I don't use my cruse control and my foot tends to wander on the pedal. I run the transmission in "D" and when on flat level roads the transmission will kick into overdrive, but most of the time it would not stay in overdrive mode. One reason was we were at higher altitude, but when back in Texas it tends to stay in overdrive more.


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Old 07-15-2018, 08:42 PM   #23
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When I dragged my Ford Explorer into a country mechanic with a loud clicking noise, I had been towing a tent trailer. He advised me that I very nearly blew up my torque converter. Then he torqued the nuts on my aluminum wheels and said, "no charge, I'll get you next time".

And then, my 16-year-old daughter reminded me that the Ford manual says not to tow in Overdrive.
My Toyota manual says to tow in 4, not D.
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:21 AM   #24
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When I dragged my Ford Explorer into a country mechanic with a loud clicking noise, I had been towing a tent trailer. He advised me that I very nearly blew up my torque converter. Then he torqued the nuts on my aluminum wheels and said, "no charge, I'll get you next time".

And then, my 16-year-old daughter reminded me that the Ford manual says not to tow in Overdrive.
My Toyota manual says to tow in 4, not D.
You are correct in what most manufactures recommend. One reason for towing in overdrive was the transmission would hardly ever go into overdrive and it did not hunt and pick between the two all the time, plus in most cases I had to let off the gas to get it to shift into overdrive when pulling the trailer. Many on the Ridgeling Forum do it this way with no transmission failures at this time, but commonsense tells me it might not be the best practice.


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Best practices are changing as transmissions and transmission control software become more sophisticated. Best to consult the owner's manual for your vehicle.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:10 AM   #26
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Best practices are changing as transmissions and transmission control software become more sophisticated. Best to consult the owner's manual for your vehicle.
True, the computer can do what you can't, it can analyze what you can't do as fast as it needs to be done.

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Old 07-16-2018, 09:38 AM   #27
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I put my truck’s transmission in tow / haul mode and go
Trying to out guess my vehicles computer or thinking that I am smarter then the engineers that designed my truck is a waste of time and foolish IMHO
I don’t like driving to begin with and making it more complicated by playing with the transmission doesn’t help!
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Trainman, that is very good news. I was thinking that it was time to get a new truck. I love my 2008 Honda Ridgeline, except for the gas mileage while towing. I love the comfort and drive (like a luxury car), love the built in trunk (so much of my camping gear stays there (do not have a big garage or other good storage at my home), because the Casita has almost no storage outside the trailer, love having 4WD (lots of sand in FL) and I love having the topper to protect all the other stuff we pack in there when camping.

I did not know what I was going to do about buying a new truck, but if you are right, I would buy another Ridgeline.

Can someone else please confirm that they have similarly had the positive mileage experience with a newer G2?????
We have a 2017 RTL-T AWD and to our 17' SD using carrying two kayaks on the roof, my mountain bike, Honda EU2000 generator in the trunk plus our other camping gear in the bed (probably 500 pounds, plus two people and our dog). We are located in California and on our last trip to the Shasta area with several good grades and rolling terrain we averaged 17.1mpg over the 700 mile trip. We tend to keep the speed down when towing between 55-65mph (55mph legal towing speed limit), most of the time keeping up with the big rigs on the flats. The MPG drop is really noticeable when you try to drive faster (ie. trying to average 70mph will ding the MPG by a substantial amount). I recall doing a trip last year where we had some wicked headwinds (probably 20-25mph) all along a 200 mile stretch and the Ridgeline averaged 15.2mpg, that's about the worst we've experienced while towing our Casita. Also, we have noticed our trip computer MPG is consistently 1.5mpg too optimistic, so my calculations for MPG are always done manually dividing the miles driven by the gallons of fuel used.
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