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Old 11-29-2011, 03:41 PM   #57
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While I understand that the average car can't handle as much actual tongue weight as a truck, and that a WD hitch might alleviate some of that, I simply don't understand the thought behind your last sentence.
Shouldn't the ball height be the same in either case?

Also... Is it wise to use a WD hitch on a unibody car? If so why?
Wouldn't a WD hitch move shift stress points forward of the hitch into the floor pan? Perhaps that would only be a problem on a few of the weaker ones?
If it were me I'd worry more about the strain on the trailer frame with additional forces caused by a wd hitch.
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No weight distributing hitch is needed for 200 lbs tongue weight. The purpose of the w/d is to shift excess weight to the front to keep the weight evenly over the wheels, front and back. Two hundred pounds is light, more chances of sway with a light t/w. Sway control may be needed but no w/d.
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No weight distributing hitch is needed for 200 lbs tongue weight. The purpose of the w/d is to shift excess weight to the front to keep the weight evenly over the wheels, front and back. Two hundred pounds is light, more chances of sway with a light t/w. Sway control may be needed but no w/d.

I suggest you study the workings of WD hitches.
They remove weight from the rear wheels of tow vehicle and distribute that weight to front wheels of tow and to the trailer wheels.
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I suggest you study the workings of WD hitches.
They remove weight from the rear wheels of tow vehicle and distribute that weight to front wheels of tow and to the trailer wheels.
Isn't that what I said in my post??
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Old 11-29-2011, 05:00 PM   #61
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No weight distributing hitch is needed for 200 lbs tongue weight. The purpose of the w/d is to shift excess weight to the front to keep the weight evenly over the wheels, front and back. Two hundred pounds is light, more chances of sway with a light t/w. Sway control may be needed but no w/d.
Initially I could carry my Trillium 4500 1977 to the car hitch with only one hand and found out highway driving on windy days made it unstable. With a second Propane tank and the addition of a RV battery, I have just enough weight on the tongue. I have a sway bar, but I don't bother to engage it anymore. I must have about 250 lbs on the tongue now. This is sort of proving your point.

Just a tip: in the past, with a tent trailer that was wide and short, I used to cancel occasionnal trailer sway simply by touching the manual button on the electric brake controller.

As it was pointed out in many other threads, WD hitch is NOT a good idea with a light RV and may even damage the RV frame.
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I suggest you study the workings of WD hitches.
They remove weight from the rear wheels of tow vehicle and distribute that weight to front wheels of tow and to the trailer wheels.
I couldn't find the photo I was looking for, but I found this...
Notice the absent rear wheels.
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I couldn't find the photo I was looking for, but I found this...
Notice the absent rear wheels.
Isn't that a Olds Toranado? That like the Cadillac had front wheel drive for a couple of years. But the picture shows the effect of the w/d proper set up. Just think of that stress being placed on the frame and trailer!!
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What about the Citroen auto's - I remember Allan Funt on Candid Camera did a shoot with it going in a gas station and asking the mechanic to check tire pressure. The car was running on 3 wheels, the Citroen has pneumatic suspension, here
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Isn't that what I said in my post??
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The purpose of the w/d is to shift excess weight to the front to keep the weight evenly over the wheels, front and back.
The impression from this is that it shifts the weight to front wheels of tow vehicle only. However, if you really look at how it works, more of the weight is shifted to the trailer than the front wheels.
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I couldn't find the photo I was looking for, but I found this...
Notice the absent rear wheels.
In this case all the weight that was on the rear wheels is now added to the trailer weight. Think about the front wheels as a pivot point.
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Back to the subject.

I talked to Joe Thoen at Team Trillium Trailers Manufacturing. He said to do an off frame restoration, which includes a new 3500lb axle, 2" coupler and chains, sand blast and paint the frame with DTM acid etch paint would be $1700. New 14" alloy wheels with good tires would be an additional $185/each.

What do you think?
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That price is high; but maybe it's just the Canada thing. I went to a dedicated suspension shop and my bill looked something like this:
Dexter 3500#, EZ lube, 10" electric brakes- $388
2 fancy 14" aluminum wheels with tires- $320
1 white 14" steel spare with tire- $100
2"ball A frame coupler- $30
New sidewind jack- $44
2 BAL crank down stabilizer jacks- $57
New saftey chains with anchors- $25
Labor for everything plus welding on a new propane rack- $260
Total- $1230
I guess the price delta is in line with what I have observed previously.
Dexter axle: $400 vs $388 (103%)
Wheels: $370 vs $320 (116%)
My total: $2070 vs $1230 (168% and I don't need jacks!)
What was the hourly rate at the shop you had the work done at?
I notice that painting is not in your list. I assume that it was painted. What did they paint it with? Did they take your trailer off the frame?
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$1000 for an axle replacement seems a bit steep to me....Too much labour $$$$
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