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Old 09-23-2015, 04:23 PM   #29
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I think if your hand is on the bottom of the steering wheel, when you move your hand to the left the trailer will go left, palm up or palm down.

..................and SLOW is good.
That is true, but somehow, palm up gets your brain in synch.
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:07 PM   #30
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OK, so now I'm staring at the white expanse that is the front of my trailer. Haven't a clue what's behind it. Might be able to see somewhat around the left side..
Take down the front and back window curtains, you can see right through. Seriously though, this is standard stuff moving equipment. We usually had a hole in a front loader bucket or fork lift fork for bolting in a ball or clevis or something to spot trailers, some really big and hard to see around. You might need a buddy.
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:26 PM   #31
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Really enjoy all the responses and instructions given for backing up a trailer. All good but it is a learning process. You can read 50 books on how to pour and finish concrete but you'll only get the feel for it with time and practice.
The joke saying around the shops yard was "stop when you hear glass"
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:42 PM   #32
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The other thing I like, is not having anyone standing outside the trailer yelling at me to turn the wheel this way or that way! If I have someone traveling with me and they get out of the vehicle when I am backing up the trailer the only thing I want them to do is stand at the rear where I can see them in a side mirror - right or left it does not matter to me and only wave or move their arms around if I am about to hit an immovable object - even then I don't want to know about it when I am 6' from the object (as I can probable see it myself in a side mirror at that point) only want a warning when I get within 6" from it & I can not see it in a side mirror. mg
So so true. The spotter needs to know they are observing what needs to happen to the trailer & its position relative to the target or obstacles then only relay that info. They are not driving or telling you how to drive. Also, if they can't see your eyeballs (preferably not in a mirror) they are worse than useless, they are actively an obstacle that you have to assume is jumping in the way.

My wife can't get the hang of keeping eye contact & always runs behind the trailer. Drives me nuts. Another friend who use to do ground crew stuff at an airport does a better job with is <1yr old son in his hands than 90% of the people out there.

See if you have a friend with a riding lawnmower & a little trailer. That's a great way to get the basics of control down. It's still a huge jump to a trailer that blocks your view & handles differently, but much less of a jump. Bumper pull trailers all behave in the same manner, however depending on the number of axles, hitch length & many other factors respond at different rates and different speeds. Practicing with something easy (small & no sight lines blocking) will give you a good start.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:13 PM   #33
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Ah. So true.
I waited several minutes for my wife to look at me in the mirror. Finally in frustration I got out and asked her what she was looking at since she didn't appear to be doing the job. She was watching some birds.

Our discussion of the subject has not resulted in an improvement.
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Old 09-23-2015, 08:15 PM   #34
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I was just getting ready to make a post about learning how to back up my trailer, but obviously this is the place to do it.

I had just hauled my Lil'Bigfoot to the DMV to get the VIN certified (I had tried asking local law enforcement to do that, and they informed me I could have that done at the CHP office with an appointment [thanks a lot]) so went through the misery of hauling and appointment and in line and stuff.

Anyway. After that, I had the LilB in town, so drove her through some neighborhoods and then over to the Civic Auditorium, where there is a big, open parking lot.

I didn't have any cones, but picked individual stalls to back into. The hand on the bottom of the wheel turning the way you want the trailer to go works, but it was almost more helpful for me to watch the mirrors, even the rear view mirror.

This 13.5 trailer does react quickly. I had to learn to straighten out the steering wheel quickly once she was pointed in the right direction, and then crank it the other way to get the car to follow.

Don't try to correct if you get too sharp a turn. Just pull forward and try again.

We probably did 20 backups, and each one became a bit easier. I tried these backing up both to the left and to the right.

When it finally seemed we had *been there, done that,* I drove all the way to the end of one aisle, and tried to learn how to back up in a wavy line, all the way to the end. The goal of that was to develop an instinct of how to steer without trying to stop and figure it out. I never could back down the entire aisle without pulling forward and straightening, but the automatic reactions got better.

This was enough to give me confidence to back the trailer in at home. We have a narrow side driveway and the trailer goes through a gate and behind a fence. I did the recommended "scoop/swoop" in to get the angle started, and then had to work at getting her over the rolled curb.

We live on a corner, so it's a bit spooky pulling out into the middle of the street to back up again while worrying about someone barreling around the corner. (I've had guys honk angrily when I'm just trying to just back the car in with a load of groceries -- it's a very busy corner.)

I had several encounters this time, but mysteriously, no one seemed annoyed. Everyone who drove by either smiled or waved, or both. I don't know if it was "hey look at that poor lady trying to back that trailer," or "wow, she's really good at that," or "isn't that a CUTE trailer?" but whatever it worked and wasn't stressful.

The DH, who is a trailer backing maniac, was totally impressed when he got home. I think he was even a bit twitterpated.

I say practice and practice, and don't get frustrated, don't have people telling you what to do (and I did get out and look many times), and if you get into a fix just pull forward and try again. If *I* can do it, anyone can!
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Old 09-23-2015, 08:34 PM   #35
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Yo Jeff, Glad to meet you!

First let me tell you... no one is born with the back up gene. Honest.

It amazes me where some folks are able to jam in a trailer into a site.. or along the side of the house!

It starts with going slow, really small steering wheel movements. If things start heading SOUTH... OMG STOP. It won't get better if you keep going. Pull forward a little bit and start again. Eventually you'll get it, I promise.

And if you're sweating bullets that first (or a dozen) time because folks are watching... step outside, bend at the waist and raise your ARMS. You DID IT! Really... people will applaude your stick-to-it attitude!

Backing up is kinda like giving a speech to 5,000 people sitting in the audience. They all remember what it felt like that first time... and they left all their clothes at home.
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Old 09-23-2015, 09:11 PM   #36
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Just to clarify, if you place the palm of your hand at the bottom of the steering wheel, facing up, when you move your hand to the left, the rear of the trailer will move to the left.
You also need to be aware of where the front fenders of your tow vehicle are as you turn. Go slow.
Placement of the hands can sure help.
I taught my wife to back up the trailer by using a parking lot when there wasn't cars around. I had her pull into a double parking spot so the trailer and the truck were parked. Then pull straight out and back straight in. Once she got the hang backing straight it was a lot easier to make the turn.

Also I recommend that you use the mirrors, don't try to turn around to see what's going on. I usually find a line or mark I can line up on, the side of a driveway, a white stripe, etc. and follow that in. I still like somebody to watch the back, but I can do it without an observer is needed.

As has been said practice makes perfect or this case acceptable.
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:47 PM   #37
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Wow!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I can hitch it usually on the first attempt, tow it and unhitch it. But backing up? Not so hot :-( . It is especially difficult if Steve is getting impatient with me in front of others.

It is good to know that I am not the only one somewhat challenged in backing up my Boler.

Thank you Glenn for clearing up the mystery, at least to me, about my hand on the
bottom of my steering wheel. It has been told to me before but I honestly didn't understand it until your explanation.

Being a bad "backer upper" hasn't slowed my enjoyment of my trailer whatsoever but I really want to appear "cool" when I back it up. I have an extremely tight entrance to my driveway and of course all the immediate neighbors seem to be outside when I am trying to back it up. The men gather around all offering backing up advice. Very nerve wracking.

I am going to go to the Walmart parking lot after closing and practice until I get it right.
At that point I will really feel empowered!

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Old 09-23-2015, 10:56 PM   #38
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Donna,

That is an awesome idea! I will take a bow next time and you are quite right. When people are watching I do sweat bullets and my face is flushed beet red. I share a driveway with another family. We both have two parking spots and the Boler has to go into a precise spot to make the parking work.

I darn well will keep practicing until I get it perfect.

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Byron's correct!!!
Learn to use your mirrors.
Set the drivers mirror so you can see the side of your vehicle and the trailer.
By seeing the straight line of your vehicle and trailer you will see the change of direction of your trailer instantly.
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[QUOTE=Ellpea in CA;550051]I didn't have any cones, but picked individual stalls to back into. The hand on the bottom of the wheel turning the way you want the trailer to go works, but it was almost more helpful for me to watch the mirrors, even the rear view mirror.

LP, always use the side mirrors, forget the rear view is there, it's no help in backing up.

This 13.5 trailer does react quickly. I had to learn to straighten out the steering wheel quickly once she was pointed in the right direction, and then crank it the other way to get the car to follow.

Finding the sweet spot so all you're doing is chasing it back is nice. Actually breaking the tug/trailer to the angle you need to just chase it back is the first rule of backing. Have seen many stop at a 90* angle to where they want to park....got ugly pretty fast. The funniest parking job I ever saw was a guy with a 5th wheel trying to get it in a marked stall at our local stadium parking lot for an event the next day. Many acres and there were only two others there at the time and no one with in an acre of him. Finally got it after 20 minutes of zig zags. After he got set up I just had to "force" myself to say Hi. After he told me of how hard it was to get the rig in the space I asked him why he didn't just drive around in a loop and pull straight in? Needless to say the look on his face after the light bulb went off was priceless.
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I have to get my trailer into a certain position in my driveway too so once I got it right where I wanted it I took a couple of pieces of duct tape and put one right behind the tire on the drivers side and the other one along the outside of that tire. Now when I back in the driveway that tape takes out the guesswork where I have to stop. I have since replaced the duct tape with some florescent orange paint which is easier to see.
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I have to get my trailer into a certain position in my driveway too so once I got it right where I wanted it I took a couple of pieces of duct tape and put one right behind the tire on the drivers side and the other one along the outside of that tire. Now when I back in the driveway that tape takes out the guesswork where I have to stop. I have since replaced the duct tape with some florescent orange paint which is easier to see.
This is also a good idea in campsites. If you put a block of some kind right beside where you want your tire to be, you can see your designated spot, and get to it quicker. I do this often, resulting in one shot parking.
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