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Old 10-15-2014, 12:25 PM   #29
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The Scamp folks got back to me. They said "You can lift the trailer but the 13 ftís donít seem to take the lift while towing very well. No we welded the axles on until 2012, anything after that they are bolted on. I would just cut your axle off, add however much lift you are thinking of doing, and weld axle back to the bottom of your lift."

What do ya'll say? I have no experience with trailers or vehicles for that matter, but I am thinking that a 3in lift to make room for 15in wheels might make the most sense to create more clearance. I currently have factory 175/80R13 wheel/ tires.
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Old 10-15-2014, 01:37 PM   #30
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Matt, our lifted 13' Scamp handled very well on and off road. The beauty of the Flexiride axle is that you can change the ride height very easily (which I had to do every time I put it in or took it out of the garage.
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Old 11-02-2014, 06:29 PM   #31
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Has anyone tried to mount small coil over shocks to restore some suspension movement?
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Old 11-02-2014, 07:35 PM   #32
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Look at the Parkliner tire rub issues and see how they fixed it. You could do the same.
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Old 11-02-2014, 08:05 PM   #33
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Can't find it using the search function. I envision using a small coilover mounted to the leading link and making an upper mount. I'm not concerned about the height as much as the rough ride with no suspension.
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:16 PM   #34
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What does a coil over do that a gas shock mod not do?

My 13er is at the fab shop for a lift and shock mod. They are cutting the Dexter axle off, adding bolt-on brackets for the lift kit, and welding on top shock mounts to mate with bolt-on lower mounts from Jim at Orbital Machine Works. After that, I need to determine if I can fit some 205/75R14's to replace the stock 175/80R13's to get a bit more clearance. More soon.


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Old 11-06-2014, 03:19 AM   #35
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Has anyone tried to mount small coil over shocks to restore some suspension movement?

No, why not fix it right? If the axle is shot, it's shot. Keep in mind, that rubber that isn't working anymore is also the only thing keeping your wheels from departing the trailer.


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Old 11-06-2014, 03:20 AM   #36
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What does a coil over do that a gas shock mod not do?

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a coil over is a spring with a shock inside. Like a strut, but with shock mounts. It's the suspension and the dampening.


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Old 11-06-2014, 03:30 AM   #37
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This entire discussion reminds me of off road vehicles that want to go higher. It doesn't matter how high the body and frame are lifted... the axle stays at the same height. You can put spacers, etc. between the frame and axle... but the center portion of the axle pretty much stays at the same height. I put a 45 degree down axle on my Scamp so I could run 15" tires. But the distance between the axle and the ground is (plus) a minor amount as before the axle swap. YMMV


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I too am always amused by the 'off roaders' with their 'lifted' vehicles that provide a very high 'body/chassis lift' but no increase in ground clearance for the 'running gear'. Some use bigger tires/wheels to provide a little more clearance but unless they're using the 'monster mudders' or some such, they ain't gaining much except a higher center of gravity & usually more instability

It's not all about getting the axle off the ground. An axle can be drug with almost always no problem. It's the approach/break over/departure angles that get you, which a stock scamp 13' basically has none of.



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Old 11-06-2014, 05:02 AM   #38
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I have ordered a new axle assy from Scamp. Their cost was very reasonable.
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Old 11-06-2014, 05:34 AM   #39
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Good move, you'll be happy with that decision.
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:50 AM   #40
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It's not all about getting the axle off the ground. An axle can be drug with almost always no problem. It's the approach/break over/departure angles that get you, which a stock scamp 13' basically has none of.

Steep driveways can be a "drag" so to speak is a real problem, especially once the rubber is shot. As can going over any abrupt change up or down with the TV before the camper wheels engage the change. Into and out of a sharp back road dip or gully can give you a scuffed rear or front along the bottom edge. FG no like being dragged.

I don't think lifting the axle alone would do a whole lot. Especially not if axle is shot, bigger wheel would just push suspension arm up more. Shocks or springs would be a band aid or duct tape solution.

Thing is most axle lift arrangements put the riser between the axle and the frame which provides no overall increase in ground clearance for the axle shaft, and by itself does not provide much real help at the leading a trailing edges of the trailer on a 13 foot.

If you combine a little more lift for the axle mount with more down angle on the axle arm (or adjustable angle) , and position so that axle spindle travel in the wheel well is good (won't rub) for a larger wheel and taller profile tire you pick up more usable ground clearance. With the downside that you probably now need a step to get into the trailer comfortably.

A new axle may provide better suspension from a towing standpoint since it will do a better job of keeping tires on the road and have less bounce and sway. Since new axle provides a stiffer suspension I'm not sure it would yield a softer ride for the items inside the camper. Stiff shock absorbers don't yield softer ride, and new rubber would generally be a stiffer shock absorber than old rubber.

I debated going with higher lift when I replaced my axle, decided in the end that ease of entry and keeping the trailer tucked down in behind the tow vehicle (Ford Escape) was the option that worked better for me. So my new axle restores original ride height with maybe 1/2 inch of additional height.
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Putting a spacer between the axle and frame helps the approach and departure angles the same as increasing the arm angle, there's no difference.


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Old 11-11-2014, 08:20 AM   #42
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Putting a spacer between the axle and frame helps the approach and departure angles the same as increasing the arm angle, there's no difference.
I don't understand "increasing the arm angle". What is the angle relative to? I have a rear and up arm on my Dexter #9 axled Scamp 13. Am I missing something when you talk about increasing the arm angle?
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