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Old 07-14-2012, 01:01 AM   #155
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please LORD, help us out here, we deserve a break ...
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:22 AM   #156
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yes nissan has been known for poopy mileage, much like all the other 1/2 tons and other size pickups as well,

here is hoping, the new cummins diesel engine 2.9l , this has been a joint venture between the 35 million that the us has invested with cummins and nissan for this engine development - i am old - memory not be as good as it used to be - but this what i read. guessing the engine should get 25 to 26 mpg highway, we will see.

if nothing else, maybe this truck will knock some sense into the other manufacturers to "get off the pot" and do something...

please LORD, help us out here, we deserve a break ...
Have you looked at what real - full-size diesel pickups get for mileage?

Why would you want to get a new untried, unknown, diesel engine in a smaller truck to get 2-4 mpg more than what a full-size is already doing?

As to whether or not Nissan will tune it mileage or for HP - well - for trucks power and huge towing capacity sells, mileage is filed under "oh and by the way in case anyone cares...."
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Have you looked at what real - full-size diesel pickups get for mileage?

Why would you want to get a new untried, unknown, diesel engine in a smaller truck to get 2-4 mpg more than what a full-size is already doing?

As to whether or not Nissan will tune it mileage or for HP - well - for trucks power and huge towing capacity sells, mileage is filed under "oh and by the way in case anyone cares...."
In this case I will have to agree to disagree. For me the tradeoff of power, acceleration, towing capacity and mucho ego loses in favor of fuel economy. I don’t believe I can be convinced otherwise so for me this discussion is truly a moot point.

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Old 07-14-2012, 04:34 AM   #158
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I don't believe the Titan is any smaller than an F 150 or a Chevy Silverado. Perhaps you are confusing it with the Frontier? Raz
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:10 PM   #159
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nissan titan

UPDATE: just came from my customers house with nissan usa, the engine will be a diesel but he said it will be around a 4.ol instead of the 2.9l.
cab configs will be 4dr club, ext cab, and reg cab, in short bed and long bed models, also 2 & 4 wheel drive.

years ago i used to be in the corporate fleet leasing business doing specification design for cars and trucks according to their work environment needs. i am hoping with my connections nissan will allow me to spec out my own truck, toward the economy end of the scale, the truck will have all the power it needs for what i will be pulling. i will be operating it 70% of the time between elevations of 8500' to 12500', 4wd of course

the titan is definitely a full size truck along with the rest of the so called 1/2 tons. the front clip, of the truck is being redesigned, the rear of the truck, will be similar to the 2012 model.

it will be the first 1/2 ton with a diesel known of to date. i can almost guarantee they will be built for pulling and payload. he said it would be rated at 8000#, he is going to try and get me a spec list.

as far as 1st year problems with new vehicles, that used to be true 35 to 50 years ago, but not so much today. quality control, design, tooling, have come along way since then. and we all can thank honda and toyota for coming to the usa, and stealing market share from the us manufacturers - forcing the usa auto companies to get off the pot and and get better or else. i have a 04 f150 1st year production, has 90,000 miles on it, no problems, a fine truck, all you have to do is regular scheduled maintenance.

i will be looking forward to seeing the new model titan - then i will be able to make a decision

like i said before - dear LORD - hope you are listening i do not want a gold watch for retirement - just a nice truck

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Touareg TDI does look interesting
VW Touareg V10 TDI Vs.. Chevy 2500 HD - YouTube
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VW Touareg V10 TDI Vs.. Chevy 2500 HD - YouTube
Like David vs Goliath!
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A British motoring TV program using a Touareg:

Fifth Gear - VW Touareg towing 747 Jumbo Jet - YouTube

It is borderline fakery, as the 747 is an old one used as a film prop and it has no interior and fake engines (off a B52, maybe?) but nevertheless, it makes an excellent image.
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According to this, it is the 2.8 version for better economy,
Update 2: Cummins, Feds Developing Four-Cylinder Diesel for Nissan Titan - PickupTrucks.com News
Cummins Tests Four-Cylinder Diesel in a Nissan Titan - WOT on Motor Trend
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VW Touareg V10 TDI Vs.. Chevy 2500 HD - YouTube
The V10 is gone (by about four years) - the current Touareg diesel is the 3.0 L V6. Just as well - the monster V10 had trouble meeting emissions regulations, and used more fuel than the gas engines.

Despite all the diesel fans saying they would buy one if only it were offered, I don't think they're commonly chosen. Perhaps that's because the extra US$3500 and couple hundred pounds give the diesel owner no more towing capacity, slower performance, and not enough better fuel economy (VW.com comparison)

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Like David vs Goliath!
Really? A current V6 diesel Touareg weighs 5000 lb, and the V10 would have been even heftier. It's not a little thing against a giant.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:37 AM   #165
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Brian,

We've considered a small diesel for our next tow vehicle but have pretty much talked ourselves out of it with the seemingly growing cost differences between diesel and gas fuels in the United States (3.74 vs 2.92 in Myrtle Beach, SC) (3.77 vs 3.17 in Wauchula, Fl).

It seems that at least in the USA we've created a different tax structure for diesel. It Toronto the difference between diesel and gas is trivial (1.17 versus 1.14).

When one adds the higher maintenance costs of a diesel, it seems that our best choice is to stay with a gas vehicle.
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I am hoping this Mahindra diesel will get the attention of the three big automakers here in the US and come up with a "Ranger" size diesel.From what i have read ford has a ranger diesel in Europe but not here for some reason?...........Joe
I was in the automotive biz for most of my career. A key human foible is to think that the rest of the 7 billion people on earth have the same wants and tastes as you. That is the only plausible explanation for some of the automotive styling and marketing blunders of the 70's and 80's.

I assure you that if and when there is a real market for small diesels, all the manufacturers will jump in. Everyone wanted an electric car, too, until the 5,000 people that actually wanted one bought, then sales stalled. Once the potential sales justify the engineering, tooling and certification costs, small diesels will come (back).

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I have had lots of different diesels, pretty much pickup sized and larger, and have found them to have less maintenance needed than gas engines, and they last way longer too. Though, if work is needed on them, it can be more costly.

If a decent small 4 cyl diesel was to be offered, I would be taking a real close look.
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I just purchased the new 3l diesel which is the only engine available on a Sprinter. A few years ago, their short lived venture into a gas engine ended in a complete fiasco.

We could turn the buying or not diesel question into availability of options where the US unfortunately struggles. To buy a modern walk-in van I had only “two” options – Freightliner or Mercedes. In the EU I could look into Mercedes, VW, Fiat, Renault, Peugeot, Citroen, Ford and GM's Opel. Most of these vans in the EU are powered by diesel, but you can also get them powered by gas, CNG, and LPG. Most of them are designed for best gas mileage not torque and power as is the case in the US. The new Sprinter in the EU is supposed to get an average of 35mpg with 7 speed tranny and 2.2l diesel, it is coming to the US but unfortunately too late for me, I did not want to wait another couple of years.

In a pure capitalistic world the market often determines product direction. Not necessarily in the monopolistic world where companies dictate products to better their profits. These are often stated reasons why people don’t want to buy diesels in the US. Most often used qualifiers for these reasons are “people say”:
1. Diesel fuel is more expensive, I agree. From the worldwide perspective it is unusual, in most other places diesel is less, or even with gas, or slightly more. Ask yourself a question, who dictates these prices?
2. Diesels smell and shake, yes, 40 year ago they did.
3. Reliability of diesels is not good, remember GM fiasco, yes, I remember but I am over sixty.
4. Recent diesel engine technology is very complex, yes, but so is gas engine technology such as Ecoboost, 2 turbos, Direct Injection etc.
5. The fuel mileage on new diesels in the US is not 30-40% better, yes, because most diesels (except 2L TDI) are designed for torque and power, why, because “people say it is what people want”. Mazda with its new CX5 diesel, designed for MPG from the get go could become a bestseller beating “media’s favored - what people say” if it is not going to be hammered by temporary diesel price increase.

But there is one predominantly fundamental reason, not mentioned by the US media, why people don’t buy diesels in the USA, because they are not here.

Somehow the rest of the World has more options on their markets such as gas, CNG, LPG, diesel, why not in the US?, but, but,,,,,, we have hydrogen powered fuel cells, yaa.



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