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Old 12-19-2012, 12:00 AM   #183
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You can get all those options... but consumers have demonstrated that they don't want them, or are at least unwilling to pay for them
“People have demonstrated” - this is real news for me. Yes, you can get everything in the US but since when costumer decided not to by LPG, CNG, or small economical diesel vehicle. LPG is very popular in EU, costs one half of gas with 10% MPG and power loss, and there are LPG gas stations with automotive type LPG fill connectors. Please point me to a US road legal 2012 LPG conversion, car friendly LPG station, or 60 MPG small diesel or 35mpg small pickup truck in the US. Otherwise it sounds as “people say it is available”
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:47 AM   #184
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I read that one reason VW will not bring the Amarok here is the chicken tax makes it non-competitive. It would have to be made here (North America) as would the Ranger. I have to wonder what effect that has on the Mahindra?

While rare in on-road vehicles, diesel engines are quite common on tractors. I'm not sure you can get a gasoline engine on a tractor once you get above a Home Depot lawn mower. And off road diesel is competitive in price to gasoline. That said the only thing connected to the exhaust manifold on my tractor is a muffler. Raz
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:32 AM   #185
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I read that one reason VW will not bring the Amarok here is the chicken tax makes it non-competitive.
If you wouldn't mind, I'd like an explanation of this "chicken tax." It's a complete surprise to me. I never knew that chickens had any money.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:47 AM   #186
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MB overcomes the chicken tax on their Sprinter cargo vans by disassembling and putting them back together in the US. It is additional cost but still less than the chicken tax. My passenger van will not have to go through this process.


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Old 12-19-2012, 01:16 PM   #188
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LPG is very popular in EU, costs one half of gas with 10% MPG and power loss, and there are LPG gas stations with automotive type LPG fill connectors. Please point me to a US road legal 2012 LPG conversion, car friendly LPG station...
North America is not Europe, and LPG is not half the price of gasoline here... perhaps only because gasoline is so much cheaper here (even in Canada) than in Europe.
I don't know what a "car friendly" propane station would be - I would just pull a propane car up to the same bulk fill point where I fill the RV tank of my motorhome. All permanently mounted tanks (at least here) have the same "fast fill" fitting.

A 10% peak engine power loss is not the same as the volume increase in fuel consumption - propane falls more than 10% short of gasoline in energy content.
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Good link here. Thanks Andrew. You have got to wonder why, after 50 years it is still in place. My understanding is that Ford makes the Transit Connect in Turkey with rear seats, brings it here and removes the seats to avoid the tax.


REPORT: Ford Transit Connect arriving in U.S. with full interiors that get stripped to comply with "Chicken Law"
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Well, I hope not to get anybody's hopes up, but this article seems to think that diesels will be arriving in the next few years. Unfortunately, they don't mention pickups.

The Diesels Are Finally Coming to the U.S. (If You've Got the Cash) | Autopia | Wired.com
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Brief intro. to the historical origin of the "chicken tax" for those unfamiliar with the techy argot. And I always thought it was only trucks with beds installed, which would make it a "bed tax."

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Killing the ‘Chicken Tax’ on Trucks Will Promote Innovation | ENR: Engineering News Record | McGraw-Hill Construction
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“People have demonstrated” - this is real news for me. Yes, you can get everything in the US but since when costumer decided not to by LPG, CNG, or small economical diesel vehicle...

Please point me to a US road legal 2012 LPG conversion...
Since when? Every day. Do you know anyone who bought a CNG Civic? Does everyone buying a Golf take the diesel?

Current emissions legality of LPG in the U.S. is a good point, but they're still legal here in Alberta and almost no one uses them now - consumers here have certainly demonstrated their preference.
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I had a bi-fuel CNG pickup for a year or so. Bought it used (TX prison system was previous owner) with 100k miles. Repair costs and repair downtimes were ridiculous.
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I don't know what a "car friendly" propane station would be - I would just pull a propane car up to the same bulk fill point where I fill the RV tank of my motorhome. All permanently mounted tanks (at least here) have the same "fast fill" fitting.

A 10% peak engine power loss is not the same as the volume increase in fuel consumption - propane falls more than 10% short of gasoline in energy content.
If you don't know what a car friendly propane station is I would suggest searching for it in EU.

Comparing volume usage LPG has about 10% higher consumption than gasoline. With newer LPG liquid injection system it is practically even. Most folks don't use full power so 10% difference in negligible.

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My company had a Mahindra tractor dealership before the recession hit. They are pretty good tractors but don't hold a candle to Kubota. The worst problem was getting them to honor the warranty. They are real penny pinchers. I doubt we will ever see the pickup.
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If you don't know what a car friendly propane station is I would suggest searching for it in EU.
That's exceptionally unhelpful. What do you mean by "car friendly"? My car doesn't show affection for any kind of station - they all just need a readily accessible dispenser with a hose long enough to reach the filler opening, and a compatible nozzle.
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