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Old 02-16-2011, 06:47 AM   #57
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Makes a lot of sense to me as i have no idea what goes into refining. I just look at it and know that our transportation system ie: trucks,trains etc run on diesel but our home heating oil also has risen at the same pace and didn't think that was under the same pollution standards as vehicles but i guess it is. My gut feeling which i can't prove is that someone that controls these prices knows that we need diesel and #2 oil to keep this country moving and is taking advantage of that.
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Makes a lot of sense to me as i have no idea what goes into refining. I just look at it and know that our transportation system ie: trucks,trains etc run on diesel but our home heating oil also has risen at the same pace and didn't think that was under the same pollution standards as vehicles but i guess it is. My gut feeling which i can't prove is that someone that controls these prices knows that we need diesel and #2 oil to keep this country moving and is taking advantage of that.
I know some states have created a different tax structure for diesel fuel since most voters don't use it. As the price increases the amount of tax increases. This is not automatically the case with gasoline in most states.

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The federal tax in the US is about six cents higher for diesel than gas. States add their own. Locally, our LOFT (county tax on gas and diesel) is the same six cents for either by the gallon.
I don't know why the federal tax is higher for diesel.
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A side note: it may seem that we're digressing here from the topic of the Mahindra diesel, but not really.
I think many of us on this forum have a keen interest in a fuel-efficient, tough small tow vehicle. The US and Canadian versions of our small trucks have grown each year over the last decade (gasoline) to the point where the "small pickups" are very close to the size of our older Silverado.
I believe the truth is, since none of us in North America are slated to get the "global Ranger", nor the other brands' small pickups, that the car manufacturers do not believe that the investment in a small work/tow/pleasure diesel pickup (comparable to the European/Australian trucks) is worth it.
Sales of the gasoline Ranger have taken a nosedive, hence its demise....
Would I buy a small fuel-efficient diesel pickup (4x4) by a major maker with an extensive repair network? Yes, in a heartbeat. With a premium? Yes. How much?
Probably ten to twenty per cent, with an engine the Europeans and Aussies get that is proven to get much better mileage, and have a much longer life.
My family is tired of hearing me talk about the North American lack of clean diesel, fuel-efficient, North American made cars and trucks.... Hope you don't mind.
As far as the Mahindra, I was intrigued a year ago, but I personally think their tenuous dealer network will implode before they (finally) launch. If so, driving one outside the local area would be chancy, as a tow vehicle.

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The federal tax in the US is about six cents higher for diesel than gas. States add their own. Locally, our LOFT (county tax on gas and diesel) is the same six cents for either by the gallon.
I don't know why the federal tax is higher for diesel.
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My list could be out of date, but it says that Florida adds 16 cents per gallon to diesel and gas. Maryland adds 23.5 cents to gas and 24.25 cents to diesel, bu they are talking about raising it another 10 cents. Woohoo!
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Toyota fork lifts are available with a four cylinder diesel, why wouldn't Toyota put a turbo on that and get the emissions up to snuff and put that in a Tacoma or 4runner?
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My list could be out of date, but it says that Florida adds 16 cents per gallon to diesel and gas. Maryland adds 23.5 cents to gas and 24.25 cents to diesel, bu they are talking about raising it another 10 cents. Woohoo!
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Your list may not be out of date. The state of Florida adds their tax per gallon to gasoline (as well as diesel), above the federal tax.
I was discussing our local LOFT (Local option fuel tax, I think...) tax for county benefit.
Our Florida counties are allowed to add another local 1, 2 or 6 cents per gallon (as allowed per state law, LOFT, for certain transportation associated budgets, so of course, most counties do the max of 6....), plus some other sundry fees and whatever to bring the total tax base on a gallon of gas to well over 53 cents a gallon in our county in Florida. We're about in the median for the U.S. Some states are much higher, and some much lower. We usually try to fill up in SC when going north; they're much more traveler friendly.
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I want this, badly... Diesel engine in combination with manual is still best and most economic... The Toyota Hilux is the pendent to our Tacoma, available in Diesel only...

http://www.toyota.de/cars/new_cars/hilux/specs.aspx
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Gerda, I agree it's very nice. And I think a number of us would love to see that truck (and the global diesel Ranger, and the others!) for sale in North America.
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....................... small trucks have grown each year over the last decade (gasoline) to the point where the "small pickups" are very close to the size of our older Silverado...................Sherry
It seems that the automotive world of ours moved away from gas mileage efficiency in lieu of size and acceleration. Engine improvements are struggling to keep-up with these two trends. I picked one example: some of you might remember the famous Datsun 240Z and most of you likely know the present time equivalent, the Nissan 370Z.

- Datsun 240Z at 2355 lb. accelerated from o to 60 in 8 sec., actual combined 26 MPG.
- Nissan 370Z at 3360 lb. accelerated from o to 60 in 5.2 sec., EPA combined 22 MPG.

So; weight up by 1000 lb., acceleration up by 35%, MPG down by 15%.
The truly strange fact is that the US, with its hunger for size and acceleration, did not use the diesel option which could be copied, not invented, from elsewhere. There are 2 fundamental differences between Otto gas and Diesel cycles which will always make the diesel cycle more efficient:

1. High compression.
2. No throttle valve (diesel engines struggle braking downhill).

I could explain the need for size trend but I won’t. Regarding the acceleration trend; we probably need to get to work faster because we make so much more dough.
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I wouldn't be too concerned about the trend; I believe it will be self correcting. Gas prices are cruising towards $4 a gallon and will not stop there and deisel taxes are even higher because politicians believe it's reserved for commercial truckers (not mainstream voters).

Inflation has been accelerating and the dollar is becoming worth less, insuring higher fuel prices. Eventually it will means people will continue to march towards smaller cars and RVs. This is the primary reason we just bought a Scamp. At $5 a gallon it cost $0.70 to drive a mile, Yikes!

A 370Z is a fringe car and does not describe what's happening in the marketplace and acceleration takes energy.

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Honestly, Norm, I think the car manufacturers are following your thread of thought.
In Europe, where gas and diesel cost about double or better than our fuel, the initial cost increment of buying an efficient diesel is almost a no-brainer. Here, the payback is probably close to three to four years of ownership, (depending on the vehicle, your annual mileage, and local gas/diesel pricing). Many North Americans don't even keep their vehicles that long. Yes, that's putting aside the value of higher resale of a used diesel vs. gas engine.
Diesel here is, truly, primarily used by the big trucks, who pay the premium, or off-road (construction, farm, etc.) where taxes are reduced, and the diesel is "dyed". It's a big Catch 22... till the product, available world-wide except North America, is made available, there's no real reason to regain parity in gasoline and diesel taxation and pricing.
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Here are more main stream examples;

2011 Honda Accord V-6, 0-60mph 7.4 seconds; EPA gas mileage - city 19mpg, & EPA highway 29mpg

2011 Toyota Sienna AWD, 0-60mph 8.5 seconds; EPA gas mileage - city 16mpg, & EPA highway 22mpg
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We regularly average 28 mpg with our Honda CRV and get 30 with pure highway driving, 23 mpg towing. Our car is now 7 years old with 135,000 miles. Actually mileage has been improving.

At $5 a gallon for gas that amounts to $0.20 a mile. For us on a typical loop of the USA we average about 30-40 miles a day, the order of $6-8 a day.

My personal goal is an electric solution. If the Nissan Leaf had twice the range it would do the job for us since we don't go far in a day nor do we drive fast. I believe the next few years will bring an electric solution as battery capacity increases.

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