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Old 01-11-2010, 12:47 PM   #29
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Why oh why not here in the great US...
Yep, look at the Chrysler line-up in Britain - apart from a couple of high-end oddball models like the SRT-8, they only sell diesels - though to be fair these are European-made Chryslers from Austria:
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The mpg figures (35mpg combined for the 300C) do need to be reduced by 20% for the bigger English gallon but in reality that can be ignored as Yurpeen driving is much more stop/start and less steady-state, so just read the mpg figures as if they were US ones.

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Old 01-11-2010, 02:56 PM   #30
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Hi Alf,

I guess I need to wait. I think the main thing is that I know I need to check things out before deciding. My S10 is a 2 door bench seat which was bad when my kids were young, but with one in college OK now. But I often wish I had something bigger.

And who knows, my wife may ultimately reject all of my finalists for an RV and decide she wants something else. That could change what vehicle I get.
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:08 AM   #31
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For those not aware of it Jeep offered a Liberty diesel in the US market in 2005 and 2006. It has a high tech 4 valves per cylinder 2.8L VM Itialian engine. They sold 14,00 US equiped models. I have gotten 20 MPG towing our 17' Casita Spirit Deluxe and average 24 mpg in the summer months on short trip city driving. But it was just an experment to see if Ladies who make up 80% of Liberty owners or drivers would buy them.

It is a very nice combination. A capable, not huge, SUV with a 5000# towing capicity that can get good mileage. Some owners report over 30 mpg highway.
The down side is chrysler! They used a robust automatic transmission but didn't do their homework (testing) and the torque converter is junk. Their answere was to reprogram the computers in them to reduce torque of the engine and changing the shift points to make the teansmission/torque converter last at least past the warranty period.

No wonder they are in such good shape.

They still produce Diesel powered Jeeps for non north American market with a even more powerfull engine and a power train to match.

Mahindra after WWII produced Jeeps under license form Willys. They are not new comers

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Old 01-12-2010, 07:19 AM   #32
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Mahindra after WWII produced Jeeps under license form Willys. They are not new comers

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I heard the same thing about the willy's a long time ago.... seems mahindra has the technology. Lets see where this goes and maybe the american companies will try to compete.
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:46 AM   #33
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This is a good site to see all diesels available in US for 2010. Small diesels are only available from VW/Audi and Mercedes. Dodge Sprinter is also Mercedes. I believe that EPA test for mpg is advantageous for Hybrids and disadvantageous or barely fair for diesels as real life data tends to show; Gas_Hybrid_Diesel_editorial. As an example EPA lists 1.9 or 2.0 VW/Audi TDI at 40-42 mpg on the highway and most folks report 45 to 50 mpg including myself. My record was set on the trip from Corvallis OR to San Francisco at 57 mpg driving at speed limits.

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Old 01-12-2010, 11:31 AM   #34
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For those not aware of it Jeep offered a Liberty diesel in the US market in 2005 and 2006... A capable, not huge, SUV with a 5000# towing capicity that can get good mileage.
One potential caveat on the Jeep Liberty: Chris and Cherie (who are members of this forum) towed their Oliver 16 with one for a couple of years, and were then faced with some frame failure (in the area of the hitch attachment, IIRC). They looked into having it fixed, but apparently the thought was that their load was just too much for the frame, and even if they had it repaired it would probably be an ongoing issue.

Now, I'm not sure what their all-up load is (they do full time), but many people would probably assume that they could tow a loaded-up 16-footer with a 5000# capacity. Perhaps they will chime in if they see this.

From what I've read they did really like the Jeep, aside from its just not being heavy duty enough to tow their Oliver 16 when loaded (over a period of time).

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Hi: All... What concerns me about flooding the highways with more diesels is that the diesel particulate, the part that makes them belch black...is a known carcinogen!!! What will the ultimate cost of our quest for cheaper towability be??? More lung disease!!! I know VW had to re design their diesels and stop offering them for a while. I think about this when walking thru our bus garage at work with 10-20 busses running ready to be washed. Will I be able to enjoy my retirement dream of camping out in the fresh outdoors???
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Old 01-13-2010, 11:21 AM   #36
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Alf, the new diesels are far beyond the black cloud era. In modern diesel cars, black clouds are HISTORY!! I just came back from Germany, where most cars are diesels, and the sky is not black. You do not see a difference in the exhaust, and even barely smell a difference anymore. It is bluntly STUPID that those modern diesels are not offered here!
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Diesels emit far less CO2 than gasoline engines. For example:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es034928d
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I'm not in love with the looks of it. the power of a diesel interests me though. wondering how it would manage a Winnipeg Winter? maybe they should give me one to test for a few years just to work the bugs out?
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I'm not in love with the looks of it. the power of a diesel interests me though. wondering how it would manage a Winnipeg Winter? maybe they should give me one to test for a few years just to work the bugs out?
Scott, if that works for you, I'd volunteer to test it one in Florida heat and humidity
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Alf, the new diesels are far beyond the black cloud era. In modern diesel cars, black clouds are HISTORY!! I just came back from Germany, where most cars are diesels, and the sky is not black. You do not see a difference in the exhaust, and even barely smell a difference anymore. It is bluntly STUPID that those modern diesels are not offered here!
True, modern clean diesels are considered by many people to be as environmentally friendly as hybrids... without the additional battery recycling/disposal issue. My sister-in-law's VW diesel gets better mileage than rated, and you would not know it was a diesel unless you looked.
The real problem is, most people remember the belching diesels of decades ago, and are unfamiliar with the new diesel products. Ford's diesel Focus in Europe has a huge marketshare; if introduced here, I'm not sure many would choose to pay the premium, or even look at a diesel alternative, even with the huge savings in mpg.
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Has there been any actual US pricing given for this truck yet? I just read a link on Yahoo about the world's cheapest car that's made in India and sells for $2,500, but the US version is going to cost about $8,000 (unconfirmed). By time importers add/change the items necessary to meet US standards, it really drives the price up.

Cheap car $2,500 from India could cost $8,000 in US
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.........................Ford's diesel Focus in Europe has a huge marketshare; if introduced here, I'm not sure many would choose to pay the premium, or even look at a diesel alternative, even with the huge savings in mpg.
I tend to agree. Grass root efforts will likely not be sufficient for diesel technology to penetrate the US market. Without a major marketing push diesels are doomed here. Many folks know that biodiesel is good, but not many are concern that we don't have cars able to use biodiesel fuel, except big trucks and a few VWs. The whole biodiesel hype is groundless. My wife was once warned by a driver driving a diesel truck about putting the wrong fuel into her car. She replied, this car takes diesel fuel and his comment was that there are no diesel powered passenger cars. This phenomenal lack of information is common and to overcome this understanding deficiency would require as major a marketing effort as Toyota used in pushing their Prius.

It seems we are bypassing technologies available elsewhere such as Diesel or CNG. EV1 was killed by the bogus hydrogen powered fuel cells. The hydrogen powered fuel cell sham was heavily promoted by Oil Companies to help kill a very feasible battery or hybrid electric car. These days, GM claimed a phony 230MPG Volt, another way to sway folks away, from currently available diesel or CNG elsewhere.

About 3 months each year we live in EU. It is truly frustrating not to be able to purchase cars or SUVs in US available in EU from our own US brands.

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